Who's the better NBA player?

[gusmahler]

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Kobe is a far worse teammate..quits on his team if he feels like it(Game 7)..worse leader..selfish...can't co-exsist with other strong personalities. Rubs people the wrong way.


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After seeing the way Shaq has deteriorated since the trade, has there been any re-evaluation that possibly the Shaq/Kobe feud was the fault of Shaq, refusing to acknowledge that he is on the downside of his career?

[KingNeo]

Gus you make a great point, I think a point that many of the NBA analysts have agreed with over the past 2 seasons.

The problem remains that Kobe has likeability issues and therefore everyone will be quick to blame him if there is a problem.

Shaq is just a big of a hard headed idiot as Kobe is, people just don't realize it.

The reason Shaq and Wade get along is because Wade is genuinely a nice humble kid. Wade is just a sweetheart and as a result he defers to Shaq who loves the power and control just as much as Kobe does.

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Wade makes his teammates better.

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So does Kobe

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Wade is a better passer.

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Kobe still averaged 4.5assists, and doesn't have Shaq to dump off easy assists to

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Wade gets along with other stars.


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Kobe was on 3title teams, which is what matters, not if they are best friends

and had no other star on his team this year

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Wade doesn't hunk 3's like Kobe

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becuase Wade is TERRIBLE from 3pt range, Kobe shoots about 15%higher

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Wade is actually likeable while Kobe comes across as an a-hole.

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NBA isn't a popularity contest

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Wade doesn't need to hunk up 5+ 3's a game.


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Wade doesn't shoot 3's because he doesn't make 3's .. Kobe shoots in the 350-360 range which isn't great but much much better than Wade


Kobe is better defensively

its really close

[SuitedDucks]

sorry, kobe does not make his teammates better in anyway.

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sorry, kobe does not make his teammates better in anyway.

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that is [censored]

he took the worst team in the league, if you take him off the roster, and got them into the playoffs in the superior conference, and they were 1game away from the second round

[CharlieDontSurf]

Kobe Game 7--that personifies who he is.

DWade never pulls that kind of [censored] then gets his coach to cover for him being a complete bitttch.

[capone0]

Wade is still MUCH more efficient than Kobe. Wade doesn't take 3s yet averages 1.48 pps in the playoffs and 1.44 pps in the regular season to Kobes 1.34 and 1.30 in the regular season.

You can argue that Kobe still gets assists, but if you watch the games Wade doesn't force horrible 3 pointers at the end of games like Kobe does with 5 people in his grill.

To your other points, yes they are valid but as I said before, you put any number of players with Shaq over the Lakers title run and they still win 3 titles. While this year, Wade dominated the playoffs and finals for the most part while Shaq didnt' for the most part (he was very important during the Pistons series and still very important in the finals but not to the level he was in the past).

I never said Wade was BETTER than Kobe, I said he has some qualities I prefer from a superstar and a swing player. Kobe should focus on getting to the line and getting good closer shots like Wade does then forcing the 3 which he loves to do. His shot just isn't that efficient and efficiency wins titles for the most part. Jordan was extremely efficient, Shaq from the field is the definition of efficiency and Duncan for the most part has been. Kobe just hasn't been as efficient as Wade has been in his short career. Even with Shaq he wasn't as efficient.

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You can argue that Kobe still gets assists, but if you watch the games Wade doesn't force horrible 3 pointers at the end of games like Kobe does with 5 people in his grill.


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a lot of the Kobe forced shots, are by-products of [censored] teamates, that give him the ball with 4 on the clock and well a 15% shot is better than a shot-clock violation

Wade has teamates that can take shots

Kobe has a below par PG, SF, C .. Odom is far from great, not much above average .. the 3rd best player on the Lakers this year was Brian Cook!

playing with 1slightly above average player, and 3 well below ave players is going to hurt the efficiency of Kobe a lot, simply because he is the only option much of the time

[KingNeo]

This arguement is so stupid. Kobe is such a superior player to Wade it is a joke.

[capone0]

b-s, Kobe was less efficient WITH Shaq than Wade. He's actually gottten more efficient the last 2 years, Wade just takes better shots then Kobe did even with Shaq. It has nothing to do with Kobe's teammates, it's what he's always done.