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#11
06-21-2006, 02:41 AM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
I don't think 10 seconds is too long in a tournement, 20 seconds may be a little longer than normal for a player in a hand, but I don't think it is an eternity. 10-20 seconds may seem like a long time in a 5/10 or 10/20 limit game, but in a tournament there is usually more to think about.
Also, I am not a highly experienced B&M player. I play some ring games, but this was only my third B&M tournament. I guess I'm not used to counting out my chips using different denominations yet. 
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#12
06-21-2006, 03:01 AM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
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Randy, this is something I've been thinking about lately. When I haven't acted and I hear, "check" behind me... What should I do? My immediate reaction in a situation like this is to simply say, "Wait!" Probably with a hand motion like I'm waiting to be called on in elementary school with my upraised hand somewhere over the table. Should that be sufficient? Can I eliminate the hand action? Yes, I'm a B&M n00b. [/ QUOTE ] "Wait" "Stop" and "Time" are all good choices. What is important to remmeber is this is not the time to be overly polite or timid; if you see someone acting behind you you have a responsibility to speak up right now or you are considered to have accpeted the action.
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#13
06-21-2006, 03:10 AM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
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I don't think 10 seconds is too long in a tournement, 20 seconds may be a little longer than normal for a player in a hand, but I don't think it is an eternity. 10-20 seconds may seem like a long time in a 5/10 or 10/20 limit game, but in a tournament there is usually more to think about. Also, I am not a highly experienced B&M player. I play some ring games, but this was only my third B&M tournament. I guess I'm not used to counting out my chips using different denominations yet. [/ QUOTE ] The next time you are in a casino watch a poker game and the second hand on your watch. Take a look at how much can happen on the table in 10 seconds. If you need 10 seconds to make a decision that is long enough to ask for time so the dealer won't be telling you to act (or in some places even be banging on the table).
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#14
06-21-2006, 06:18 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
Three checks behind is not significant action.
If there had been a bet and three folds, maybe. But "check" "check" "check"...there's no harm in letting you bet (especially since it's a dealer error).
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#15
06-21-2006, 06:29 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
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Three checks behind is not significant action. If there had been a bet and three folds, maybe. But "check" "check" "check"...there's no harm in letting you bet (especially since it's a dealer error). [/ QUOTE ] Checking is action and if you don't think that there is harm in allowing a player to bet after three players behind him have checked you don't have a very firm grasp of the game.
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#16
06-21-2006, 07:54 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
its very simple.
the dealer announces "check" as players are checking. At what point did you think it necessary to inform the table that you had not checked? After everyone else had checked behind and you had that added information? Its the players responsibility to follow the action and protect their own action. Where does this idea that its the dealer's responsibilty to babysit all the players? If the dealer announces that you checked and you didn't, or another player checks behind you out of turn, simply announce, "wait! I haven't acted" immediately. Simply: If you don't understand the rules, things like this are going to happen, and its not the dealer's fault when it does.
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#18
06-21-2006, 08:08 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
if there was a good amount of action behind you then the floor is right you did not protect your self. Instead of fireing out the bet, as soon as you hear another "check" stop the action tell the dealer you havent acted. If you tried to stop it and then the players tried to do a quick check you have an argument. By just "throwing a bet" out there with out saying a word it doens't look kosher.
Inexperience on both your parts but the dealer has some responsibilty too but to control action but they make mistakes, but you need to protect yours as well. Be glad anyway sounds like the nits would have called there flush draws for the price your going to give [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#19
06-22-2006, 06:43 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
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[ QUOTE ] Three checks behind is not significant action. If there had been a bet and three folds, maybe. But "check" "check" "check"...there's no harm in letting you bet (especially since it's a dealer error). [/ QUOTE ] Checking is action and if you don't think that there is harm in allowing a player to bet after three players behind him have checked you don't have a very firm grasp of the game. [/ QUOTE ] Three people folding to a bet and a raise is 'significant' action. Three people checking is almost the complete absence of action.
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#20
06-22-2006, 06:59 PM
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Re: Floor ruling - who\'s fault is this?
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[ QUOTE ] Checking is action and if you don't think that there is harm in allowing a player to bet after three players behind him have checked you don't have a very firm grasp of the game. [/ QUOTE ] Three people folding to a bet and a raise is 'significant' action. Three people checking is almost the complete absence of action. [/ QUOTE ] There is no difference in the 'amount of action' between a check, bet, or raise. For the person on the fence about whether they should bet (not talking about OP), three checks behind him is very significant information. In the B&Ms I frequent, 3 people acting behind you is always considered significant action, and you will not be allowed to bet.
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