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06-02-2006, 02:36 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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dont fold here please. edit read some responses, cmon folding is ridiculous IMO despite the fact the guy had 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] It's not ridiculous IMHO. If I'm doing the math right you're getting 3:1 on a push, before ICM and minimum edge (i.e. don't go broke early) considerations, and the board is real dry. A read would help obviously but I'm not instantly shoving here. I wouldn't expect another AK to play it this way preflop and what is hero beating otherwise except vs. a total donk? I doubt I'd fold without a read but I think it's a reasonable discussion. 
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#13
06-02-2006, 02:50 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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[ QUOTE ] dont fold here please. edit read some responses, cmon folding is ridiculous IMO despite the fact the guy had 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] It's not ridiculous IMHO. If I'm doing the math right you're getting 3:1 on a push, before ICM and minimum edge (i.e. don't go broke early) considerations, and the board is real dry. A read would help obviously but I'm not instantly shoving here. I wouldn't expect another AK to play it this way preflop and what is hero beating otherwise except vs. a total donk? I doubt I'd fold without a read but I think it's a reasonable discussion. [/ QUOTE ] 1. Its a $60 2. People are stupid 3. You are getting 3-1 Folding is unbelievably terrible.
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#14
06-02-2006, 02:55 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] dont fold here please. edit read some responses, cmon folding is ridiculous IMO despite the fact the guy had 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] It's not ridiculous IMHO. If I'm doing the math right you're getting 3:1 on a push, before ICM and minimum edge (i.e. don't go broke early) considerations, and the board is real dry. A read would help obviously but I'm not instantly shoving here. I wouldn't expect another AK to play it this way preflop and what is hero beating otherwise except vs. a total donk? I doubt I'd fold without a read but I think it's a reasonable discussion. [/ QUOTE ] 1. Its a $60 2. People are stupid 3. You are getting 3-1 Folding is unbelievably terrible. [/ QUOTE ] No, I see "unbelievably terrible" every day at nearly every table I play, as do you, I'm sure. Let's keep some perspective here. If you are confident you are beat here, you fold. If you think there's a reasonable chance you're ahead, you push. Not too much else to be said, I guess.
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#15
06-02-2006, 03:26 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
Just to weigh in and not add much, folding here is incredibly bad, and I don't think it is very debatable. After putting in nearly half your stack, you are going to need a laser like read to lay this down. You might think you are beat, but the probabilty you are wrong is just too high to overcome how much you've effed yourself in this tourney by giving half your stack away.
I also rarely play AK passively preflop and this hand is a good example why.
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#16
06-02-2006, 03:55 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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dont fold here please. edit read some responses, cmon folding is ridiculous IMO despite the fact the guy had 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] ??? Usually when the action goes check/bet/raise/check-3bet all-in on a rainbow, drawless board, they either have 2 pair or a set, or AK. How is folding bad?
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#17
06-02-2006, 04:45 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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[ QUOTE ] dont fold here please. edit read some responses, cmon folding is ridiculous IMO despite the fact the guy had 2 pair. [/ QUOTE ] ??? Usually when the action goes check/bet/raise/check-3bet all-in on a rainbow, drawless board, they either have 2 pair or a set, or AK. How is folding bad? [/ QUOTE ] Dude do you want me to start saving all the HHs when pepole do this with worse than AK? You are getting 3-1 odds here man, people are not smart...they are very bad. You will be surprised at what they turn over sometimes. Its a $60, the guy is probably just hitting the min raise button. I mean listen is the way he played A5 here even at all reasonable? Wouldnt you move allin instead of min reraising? So because its so ridiculous, wouldnt it stand to reason that they could also be doing something ridiculous with a worse hand like AQ, AJ etc etc This guy raised a limper with A5o and then plays like a total looney on the flop. Do you honestly believe that a player like this isn't capable of this kind of action without having AKo beat? Am I playing on a different site than everyone else here or something?
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#18
06-02-2006, 04:48 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
He can't have AQ? What about A2? JJ? If our opponents were logical people and only reraised here with two pair or a set then we couldn't make much money at this game.
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#19
06-02-2006, 04:49 AM
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Re: $60 - AKo - The Return of the Creature\'s Ghost in 3D
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He can't have AQ? What about A2? JJ? If our opponents were logical people and only reraised here with two pair or a set then we couldn't make much money at this game. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah but he is logical look at his big reraise PF with A5o and then his min bet on the flop with top and bottom pair, followed by his genius min reraise. Let's watch the guy do 3 completely illogical things, and then try to give players like him a range of hands that all beats your top pair top kicker. It's absurd!!
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