Venetain Dilemma

[ligastar]

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At Caesars last night(early morning) I let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)
and I let two guys play heads up for no rake on 2-5 NL.
I don't want to lose the games at 5am they might be full in an hour last night I had 8 games at 5am only one was a limit game 4-8

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Well done. Taking care of your customers is job #1.

[PhatCasino]

Howard - I hope you know its 50/hrs month OR 200 total....

Don't stress at the end of the month to put in those hours

[bav]

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At Caesars last night(early morning) I let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)
and I let two guys play heads up for no rake on 2-5 NL.
I don't want to lose the games at 5am they might be full in an hour last night I had 8 games at 5am only one was a limit game 4-8

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Perfect!! The floor should be hoping the players stick around and keep playing short-handed. The players are effectively doing the poker room a favor by keeping the game open, making it more likely a new player will stick around and play. Getting games started is the hard part.

And what overhead is there to the casino to keep the game running? They have to pay the dealer $5.15/hr. I think the $1 rake will cover that. So it's not like keeping the game open costs them money. The only thing I can conceive that could spark it is if the dealers were whining at him to let 'em EO (which doesn't justify it, but could explain it).

I really do wonder what qualifications they look for when they hire floor people.

[3rdCheckRaise]

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Can't they close a table whenever the heck they want to close a table?

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They should do everything they can to have the game going. If he dealers are being taken care of then there is nothing else floor should care for. Those two kept the game going for him not the other way around. When i play on the weekday HU or 3 handed Borgata does not charge ANY rake just to keep that game going and have a chance to have a full game later.

[PhatCasino]

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At Caesars last night(early morning) I let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)
and I let two guys play heads up for no rake on 2-5 NL.
I don't want to lose the games at 5am they might be full in an hour last night I had 8 games at 5am only one was a limit game 4-8

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Perfect!! The floor should be hoping the players stick around and keep playing short-handed. The players are effectively doing the poker room a favor by keeping the game open, making it more likely a new player will stick around and play. Getting games started is the hard part.

And what overhead is there to the casino to keep the game running? They have to pay the dealer $5.15/hr. I think the $1 rake will cover that. So it's not like keeping the game open costs them money. The only thing I can conceive that could spark it is if the dealers were whining at him to let 'em EO (which doesn't justify it, but could explain it).

I really do wonder what qualifications they look for when they hire floor people.

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It's pretty obvious what the floor is thinking....

"The players at this table are all old degenerate gamblers - look at them. Let me shut down this laughable game so they can fill up another game making a hell of a lot more rake. If they don't like it - let them walk to the Mirage which is probably the most walking they've done in 20 years.

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Howard:

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I've never seen a floor man reduce a rake and then five minutes later say "Full rake or you're gone!".


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I have. This sort of stuff use to be quite common back in the 1980s when Las Vegas cardrooms frequently treated the players beyond bad. It's inexcusable.

Best wishes,
Mason

[Mason Malmuth]

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let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)

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If you would have said something like this to me, I don't think you would like the response. This is just shameful.

I tip a dealer because they do their job well. If they do their job poorly they get nothing. The same goes for floor people who enforce policies like this.

MM

[CanIPlay]

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let four people play
5-10 NL for no rake as long as they took care of my dealers(and they did)

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If you would have said something like this to me, I don't think you would like the response. This is just shameful.

I tip a dealer because they do their job well. If they do their job poorly they get nothing. The same goes for floor people who enforce policies like this.

MM

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You are not going to pay rake and you object to tipping the dealers, no matter how bad? JEEEZ!!!!

JM

[MicroBob]

I don't know much about live play really, but I agree with Mason.

I think it's inappropriate to continue a game on the contingent that the players 'tahe care' of the dealers.

i agree that the dealers should first consider whether they are taking care of the players. And if they are then the players may choose to reciprocate.


I think pokerfloor was getting at the idea that if they are a bunch of scum-bags and none of them EVER tip...And they all happen to be obnoxious...then they are more likely to just close-down the game.


But I think that's different than saying "we'll keep it open as long as you agree to take care of the dealers."


I also agree that the rooms should WANT these games going. These are the players who are STARTING games for you which is a good thing.
You are less likely to get full-tables if you don't let a couple of guys start-up or continue a game like this for you.

I don't understand why a room would WANT to close down games. The cost of keeping the dealer there is minimal.

[bav]

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I think pokerfloor was getting at the idea that if they are a bunch of scum-bags and none of them EVER tip...And they all happen to be obnoxious...then they are more likely to just close-down the game.

But I think that's different than saying "we'll keep it open as long as you agree to take care of the dealers."


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ok... so pokerfloor coming right out and saying "toke or else" may be bad form. But it's honest. The game is dying and Caesars has cut out the rake completely. If a dealer comes back and reports "I made $6 that down" there's gonna be an obvious response...put the rake back to $4 and let that kill the game.

I think "toke or else" in this case was implied and could have gone without saying. But saying it isn't terribly evil.