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#12
05-18-2006, 09:20 PM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
lol!
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#13
05-18-2006, 09:21 PM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
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[ QUOTE ] 450, see what he does [/ QUOTE ] What's the logic behind this, exactly? It blows him off of anything that we beat and there's no way he's folding a better hand. He's probably got two outs if he's behind. I see no value whatsoever in this raise. Give us a man's kicker and everything changes, of course. [/ QUOTE ] you know, i dont like how tihs was played, but the boldeed statemnt is wrong
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#14
05-18-2006, 09:58 PM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
Hi shag,
4-handed and that deep vs. a tricky LAG, you must AT LEAST CALL PRE-FLOP. So, IMO, your pre-flop play is fine. However, you approached this hand the wrong way on the flop (it appears that you were building a pot), which could make playing the hand in the first place into a costly mistake. You should play this hand in general like pocket 6s that doesn't really believe him and is calling down. Then, he may convince himself to bet for value with JJ etc. I think I check the flop almost always, because we know he'll bet, and because we're not looking to build a big pot yet, without much better information. If you strongly suspect an Ace, fold the turn, since you can only beat 4 kickers out of 12, and you are likely to chop with the ones you beat.
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#15
05-18-2006, 11:18 PM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
raise > call....preflop
Also when your deep and playing shorthanded in nl holdem any 2 cards can be profitable if you can outplay your opponent after the flop
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#16
05-18-2006, 11:33 PM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
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Fold preflop. Fold any to flop raise. Fold on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Horrible advice. Preflop is pretty borderline and I'd usually fold, but I'm certainly not looking to give up easily when I hit a hand like this.
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#18
05-19-2006, 02:37 AM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
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I would fold preflop [/ QUOTE ] Listen, anybody who says they fold preflop is crazy here. Deep-stacked and short-handed, preflop is much less important than most think. Poker becomes much more rock-paper-scissors where aggressive post-flop play and good diversification of lines to throw off your opponent become key to winning hands moreso than the actual strength of your hand in a vacuum. Those advocating a fold should just pick up and leave, as waiting for great hands to play with while somebody's raising all the time is a good way to get blinded out of a hand and becoming predictable when you finally pick something up. Shorthanded, you just have to be willing to mix it up, get involved in a lot of marginal pots, and count on your ability to outplay your opponent post-flop. A7 definitely has enough playability to warrant at least a call here.
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#19
05-19-2006, 02:44 AM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
the key when playing shorthanded is not to call with more crap hands OOP (I'm looking at you, Ax), it's to raise a lot in position and RERAISE more preflop to make it tougher on your opponents
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#20
05-19-2006, 11:13 AM
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Re: 5-5NL exremely deep short handed
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the key when playing shorthanded is not to call with more crap hands OOP (I'm looking at you, Ax), it's to raise a lot in position and RERAISE more preflop to make it tougher on your opponents [/ QUOTE ] I agree (this is cero's post, wanted to get both thoughts in same post) [ QUOTE ] Hi shag, 4-handed and that deep vs. a tricky LAG, you must AT LEAST CALL PRE-FLOP. So, IMO, your pre-flop play is fine. However, you approached this hand the wrong way on the flop (it appears that you were building a pot), which could make playing the hand in the first place into a costly mistake. You should play this hand in general like pocket 6s that doesn't really believe him and is calling down. Then, he may convince himself to bet for value with JJ etc. I think I check the flop almost always, because we know he'll bet, and because we're not looking to build a big pot yet, without much better information. If you strongly suspect an Ace, fold the turn, since you can only beat 4 kickers out of 12, and you are likely to chop with the ones you beat. [/ QUOTE ] I dont fully agree, I think playing your hand fast could be a good thing as well in this spot. Also, folding the turn, especially given villain description (if its somewhat accurate) is not viable. Folding preflop is an option, by the way, I full agree (stated for emphasis) with what creed says.
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