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#11
05-17-2006, 01:15 PM
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Re: Barf
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You're kidding me right jamazon? You think a lower flush is often folding to a c/r on river? As played, I'm definately calling river here, if he's got the king (or a silly straightflush) he's just gonna have to show it. [/ QUOTE ] I don't play this high and don't want to say what my plan would be without knowing how this game plays, but I can't imagine that you are happy *at all* with 2500 going in on this river when he has to be doing this with T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or worse. 
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#12
05-17-2006, 01:21 PM
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Re: Barf
Obviously you are never happy at all doing it, but if you're betting and not folding to an allin anyway, a check/raise is most likely better since if he does have a smaller flush he'll probably just call river, by check-raising you at least put him in a tough position. (We are now disregarding the "cheap showdownplay" that you would get most value out of by taking the line OP did) And, add to that, the times he's on a bluff you gain the maximum, and the times he's on a straight you at least don't lose any value since he would only call your bet (at most), and definately will bet if you check. If we do intend to ever fold here without a read, then it's of course entirely different. Of course, given the action in the hand, I expect us to see KThh a lot of the time when he pushes river, but I don't think you can ever fold without reads here anyway.
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#14
05-17-2006, 01:24 PM
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Re: Barf
Yeah. My *plan* was to make my bet big enough to get value out of worse hands and let myself drop it if I got raised. But I've forgotten how to follow my plans. I wanted to make my river bet big enough to get max value, but no big that I would feel committed. Funnily enough I probably made my bet a little smaller than optimal and paid off anyway.
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#15
05-17-2006, 01:41 PM
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Re: Barf
Are people really folding this river here? Wow.
Just don't let Villain know what you layed down if so.
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#16
05-17-2006, 01:45 PM
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Re: Barf
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Are people really folding this river here? Wow. [/ QUOTE ] It's 10/20 and villain is "solid" with a 7K stack. This isn't a donkfest tournament where you call and see 2 pair. I dunno, is there a 40% chance he likes going nuts with T9h?
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#17
05-17-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: Barf
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with a 7K stack [/ QUOTE ] How is this relevant? [ QUOTE ] I dunno, is there a 40% chance he likes going nuts with T9h? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, because I think K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] does not open-limp PF tht often. I think a smaller suited connector is much more likely.
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#18
05-17-2006, 01:59 PM
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Re: Barf
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#19
05-17-2006, 02:00 PM
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Re: Barf
Because he got it somehow.
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#20
05-17-2006, 02:04 PM
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Re: Barf
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Because he got it somehow. [/ QUOTE ] OK. I'll keep pressing this then. What does the fact that "he got a 7K stack somehow" mean? Does it mean he's a great player? TAG? LAG? Let's not draw conclusions from partial evidence.
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