My TT needs serious help, when to slow down?

[CrMenace]

(grunching) I have the same inclinations as you (see my post on middle pair kings), but I try to follow Ed Miller's advice on page 122 of SSH:

"Play these hands under one of two circumstances:
1. No one has shown much strength, so you might have the best hand
2. The pot is large, and you are drawing to a probable winner"

With the villian flop best, criteria 1 was violated. For criteria 2, you only had a backdoor straight and the pot was small, so that is violated as well.

I would have given up on the flop. However, if you did call, the turn bet is certainly incorrect.

[jkd]

This doesn't look bad to me. I probably would have played it the same, although depending on villain, calling the flop is OK. But against typically loose opponents at this limit, this is a good line.

How may TT hands have you played? What's your win%? If the sample size is small, maybe you're just running bad. Filter out all your TT hands in PT and replay them.

jkd

[KingOtter]

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(grunching) I have the same inclinations as you (see my post on middle pair kings), but I try to follow Ed Miller's advice on page 122 of SSH:

"Play these hands under one of two circumstances:
1. No one has shown much strength, so you might have the best hand
2. The pot is large, and you are drawing to a probable winner"

With the villian flop best, criteria 1 was violated. For criteria 2, you only had a backdoor straight and the pot was small, so that is violated as well.

I would have given up on the flop. However, if you did call, the turn bet is certainly incorrect.

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Careful about context here, though.

The beginning of that chapter says 'For each example assume you are in a multi-way pot' (p.114) with a footnote that specifically says Heads-up and short-handed are different.

This is not a multiway pot. Heads-up, with a blind in the hand there is no reason to assume he has a Jack immediately, and depending on his aggression factor may be trying to push a possible over-call hand off.

When he calls the turn, you know that's not the case. He made some part of it on the flop, and since he bet out I'd bet it was the J.

But you'll see a 9, or even a 5 call this down just in case they think you have AK, or AQ.

KO

[RICHI8]

Times: 30
Win %: 56.67
Net: 3.35
Avg/Hand: .11
BB/Hand: .70
Blind: 11
CCPF: 2
VP$IP: 100.0
W$WSF: 53.57
PFR%: 100%
RFI: 20%
LwPC: 0.00
WtSD: 67.86
W$SD: 52.63

Imo my win % numbers need to be higher. (Sorry about the long line of text, I'll take a SS once I have PSP re-installed.)

[car ramrod]

I like a check behind on the river, other than that I think you played it perfect.

[Buckmulligan]

why does everyone like the flop raise so much?

[RICHI8]

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why does everyone like the flop raise so much?

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Because it can either make the 9 or 5 fold, or put the 9 or 5 on the defense so that you can control the next two rounds. It will also put the J into a more passive mode since he could think he is outkicked or against an overpair/set so you put one more SB in in order to check the rest of the hand depending on what your read is. At least that is my guess.

That was my intent of the raise at least, and to also find out if he had a J or not. It's just that I kept betting for an unknown reason. Thus the creation of this post:P

[car ramrod]

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why does everyone like the flop raise so much?


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against most donks the raise slows them up, so they tend to check to us, like villian did here, that way we always have the option to bet or check, vs just an option to call. Also he could be donking with a 9 or a 3 or [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]'s, meaning we have the best hand.

[CrMenace]

Thanks KO, that's very helpful.

[Buckmulligan]

If the raise folds 9x hands, I really don't think we want to raise. It also folds lower pocket pairs that we have crushed.

And the "slow them down" notion doesnt really make sense to me. If he has the best hand, we don't want to be raising him, period. It's certainly not right to justify it by saying it gives us more peace of mind