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we're at war with terrorism [/ QUOTE ] We're in a war against fundamentalist Islam. We're not attacking militia groups in North Dakota, or Chechnyan separatists, or Basque separatists or FARK or the IRA. We're fighting Al Qaeda, Hamas and the PLO because they're the only ones our government cares about. The fact of the matter is, they understand that declaring war on Islam would be politically disastrous, so they mask their attack on Islam in the pretenses of a war on terror. |
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The movie was about the murder of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics and the hunting down of the murderers by an Israeli assassination team. How is that treasonous because we're at war in Iraq? Spielberg's message, as I read it, was that violence usually leads only to more violence, and that a black and white picture of good and evil is a simplistic way to look at complicated situations. Spielberg showed the utter evil of the Munich murders, and the humaneness of the Israeli agents.
Closer to reason, to me, would be taking a country to war under false pretenses and failing to prepare the country's soldiers for an occupation, despite knowing full well the dangers and pitfalls that the occupation would bring. |
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... it is a propoganda anti-war film that is borderline treasonous... [/ QUOTE ] Currently the most overused word in America...for all the wrong reasons. The movie clearly isn't treasonous because it doesn't provide "aid and comfort" to the enemy, unless Al Qaeda is shelling out $10 to sit in an air-conditioned theater and watch a movie made by a Jew. |
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Most jews don't want to be in Palestine. It is an unfortunate that repeated invasion attempts and terrorist aggression have forced them to remain there. If the Palestinians would stop bombing people and Isreals arab nieghbors would publicily give up thier grievences they would have thier own country in a decade.
If I had to place blame it would be 95% arab, 5% isreal. If people had just left isreal alone to begin with instead of trying to kill every man, women, and child living there just because they aren't Arab then Isreal would never have expanded, Palestine would be its own country with much larger borders. |
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Most jews don't want to be in Palestine. It is an unfortunate that repeated invasion attempts and terrorist aggression have forced them to remain there. If the Palestinians would stop bombing people and Isreals arab nieghbors would publicily give up thier grievences they would have thier own country in a decade. If I had to place blame it would be 95% arab, 5% isreal. If people had just left isreal alone to begin with instead of trying to kill every man, women, and child living there just because they aren't Arab then Isreal would never have expanded, Palestine would be its own country with much larger borders. [/ QUOTE ] OMG...do you honestly believe that Israel and Palestine are two separate places? |
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I'm pretty much pro-War on Terror and didn't think this movie was at all treasonous or even propoganda. The Israeli's were pretty much portrayed as the good guys and their actions were presented as worthwhile and heroic.
Even if the message were propoganda, I would not consider it treason. I don't consider Michael Moore treasonous (just a terrible American). Everyone has the right to mislead people who are naive enough to be misled.... but also, it's worth exposing when you do see it. |
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The murder of Olympic Athletes in the Munich Olympic by Arabs was one of my earliest recollections of international politics as a young boy. This event and many other attrocites that followed formed my beliefs that the Arab culture is decadent and only worthy of disgust and contempt.
Spileberg's ego is out-of-control. He said in a Time magazine interview that he hopes his movie will help bring peace to the middle east. For this fantasy to come true he has to make sure Arab audiences enjoy his film as much as Jews. So what does Spielberg do?....... He changes the story from what really happened to make the film more 'friendly' to Arab audiences and then he interjects his personal view that revenge does not solve anything. For example, one of the Israeli agents that executed the Arab murderers was portrayed in the film as regretting his role in the executions when in reality he is STILL PROUD to this day for bringing justice to the families of the murdered athletes. When interviewed he was shocked by Spielberg's portrayer of his character. There were other liberties taken by Spielberg in this story as well. My question to Spileberg is why alter the story from the truth? If you want to make a fictional movie then make a fictional movie. To take a true story and alter some key facts to tell a different story is dishonest. In fact to tell a good lie you need to include a good dose of facts so that the lie can be more easily swallowed. Many ignorant people will see this movie and believe that the story is 100% facts when it is not. Spielberg, you are a liar. The story was good enough to make a movie without you taking liberties with the truth.... Stick to ET and Raiders of the Lost Ark |
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Stick to ET ... [/ QUOTE ] please no |
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If I had to place blame it would be 95% arab, 5% isreal. If people had just left isreal alone to begin with instead of trying to kill every man, women, and child living there just because they aren't Arab then Isreal would never have expanded, Palestine would be its own country with much larger borders. [/ QUOTE ] Well, the Palestinian may be have been trying to kill the Israeli people, but surprisingly the ones that have done the most killing are the Israelis. You know the body count in this conflict between Palestinians and Israelis, right? But I agree that the Palestinians have made just so many mistakes in this conflict since the beginning for their own detriment. |
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I can't say Munich is a truly anti-war film. There is simply too much gratifying killing, too many satisfying war action scenes to be anti-war. [/ QUOTE ] The most gruesome and violent war films have been the anti-war films. Whenever we were in the mood for some sincere gutting, maiming and cruelty, we chose the movie that was promoted that week as being the most sincerely anti-war film! |
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