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check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
bet/fold (NITS) 0 0%
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  #1931  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:14 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default $25NL Flush vs looooose fish...

villain is 100/0/2 6 hands (70/0/2 30 hands later in night). How much can I get from him?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($22.80)
MP1 ($16.55)
MP2 ($11.05)
Hero ($25.20)
Button ($43.60)
SB ($4.40)
BB ($4.55)
UTG ($3.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($3.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.75</font>, Button calls $3.50.

River: ($13.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.25</font>, Button calls $12.25.

Final Pot: $38.10
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  #1932  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:17 PM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: $25NL TP on paired board

villain is 37/20/3/30 hnds. Is he just being aggressive or does he have a hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($66.45)
MP1 ($32.70)
MP2 ($24.90)
MP3 ($25.25)
CO ($26.25)
Button ($5.50)
SB ($66.30)
BB ($16.85)
Hero ($23.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls $1, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>.

Flop: ($2.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, MP1 calls $1.50.

Turn: ($5.35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP1 checks.

River: ($5.35) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $20</font>, Hero?
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  #1933  
Old 10-23-2007, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: $25NL Flush vs looooose fish...

DrJ's flopped flush:

on flop, i bet around 80% of the pot fairly often... in this case, around $2.50.

on turn, I'd be inclined to do the same.

on river, i would do the same again.

$3.10 - preflop

$2.50 x 2 = flop bets = $8.10 flop

$6 x 2 = turn bets = $20

$15 x 2 = river bets = $50

edit: to expand on my thinking, i think that this is often almost a binary decision for your opponent - i don't think there's a significant change in the villain's calling range when you bet half the pot vs when you bet 80% of the pot.
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Old 10-24-2007, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: $25NL FH vs another FH or Flush?

Dr J.

A4s. I prefer the following on that hand pf: fold &gt; raise &gt; call.

A8s hand: If he's a station, all of 'em. Also depends on your image. If it's a known commodity that you're a donkey bluffer, I'd shove river. I'm pretty good at showing down bad cards here and there... Otherwise, your line is good. I would have bet more on the Turn CR. Makes for a bigger river pot, and bigger river bet.

ATo: River is bet/fold or check/call. Clearly, TJ really likes his hand now.
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  #1935  
Old 10-24-2007, 02:47 AM
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Default Stupid AJo hand

Villain in this hand is 58/0/1.4 over 38 hands.

40% Folds to c-bet
50% Calls c-bet

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($150.45)
SB ($171.95)
BB ($100)
UTG ($89.90)
Hero ($90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($19.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

River: ($43.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $21</font>, Hero folds.
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Old 10-24-2007, 02:49 AM
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Default KdJd hand

35 hands with villain thus far.
23/17/0.7

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($63.45)
SB ($64.10)
BB ($66.15)
UTG ($50.75)
Hero ($66.55)
CO ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($6.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($16.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $11</font>, Hero calls $11.

River: ($38.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $31.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:27 AM
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Default Re: $25NL Flush vs looooose fish...

[ QUOTE ]
villain is 100/0/2 6 hands (70/0/2 30 hands later in night). How much can I get from him?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG+1 ($22.80)
MP1 ($16.55)
MP2 ($11.05)
Hero ($25.20)
Button ($43.60)
SB ($4.40)
BB ($4.55)
UTG ($3.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, Button calls $1.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: ($3.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, Button calls $1.50.

Turn: ($6.10) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $0.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.75</font>, Button calls $3.50.

River: ($13.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.25</font>, Button calls $12.25.

Final Pot: $38.10

[/ QUOTE ]

gotta bet more on the flop for a couple reasons. 1) you wouldnt be betting that small w/ a set/2pr/overpair here and 2) if you bet $3 on the flop you get all in on the river w/ the nuts
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Old 10-24-2007, 03:28 AM
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Default Re: Stupid AJo hand

[ QUOTE ]
Villain in this hand is 58/0/1.4 over 38 hands.

40% Folds to c-bet
50% Calls c-bet

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($150.45)
SB ($171.95)
BB ($100)
UTG ($89.90)
Hero ($90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($19.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

River: ($43.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $21</font>, Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

fine but call a blank river. agression factor is useless over 38 hands
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  #1939  
Old 10-24-2007, 03:30 AM
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Default Re: KdJd hand

[ QUOTE ]
35 hands with villain thus far.
23/17/0.7

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($63.45)
SB ($64.10)
BB ($66.15)
UTG ($50.75)
Hero ($66.55)
CO ($49.25)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, CO calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $1.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($6.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $5</font>, CO calls $5, SB folds.

Turn: ($16.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $11</font>, Hero calls $11.

River: ($38.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets $31.25 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

betting the turn is good sometimes, as played folding is ok i guess but every draw missed so i prob look it up a lot. dont factor someones AF into a decision till you have 100 hands at minimum, preferably 200+
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  #1940  
Old 10-24-2007, 09:18 AM
Dr_Jeckyl_00 Dr_Jeckyl_00 is offline
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Default Re: Stupid AJo hand

[ QUOTE ]
Villain in this hand is 58/0/1.4 over 38 hands.

40% Folds to c-bet
50% Calls c-bet

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Full Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($150.45)
SB ($171.95)
BB ($100)
UTG ($89.90)
Hero ($90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($7.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($19.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12</font>, Hero calls $12.

River: ($43.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $21</font>, Hero folds.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would either raise flop (but this builds a big pot so I'm trying to learn not to do that), or as played call river... but I still have a lot to learn
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