Large THEFT! Rio Hotel Las Vegas 6/29/07

[Rottersod]

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I am going to make this very clear as this got way off track. My myspace is always been on private, I took it off private because people were asking me about the pictures from the scene, I took it off private so people without a myspace could view them. And I was accused of trying to market my website? I never once mentioned which website I own in any posts on here this is not what this is about. There is no question from the Rio that this didn't happen, they know it was clearly theft, there is no question from the C.S.I. investigator or the Police that it was clearly theft. I was playing poker at the time of the break in at the Amazon room anyway . The original post was to get opinions on what to do , not who did it. They got prints , they are doing an investigation, yet some are so concerned about me trying to market my myspace? You have got to be kidding. And name dropping? I hang out and play with the people on my front page and yes most are good friends of mine, there are many pictures of me playing with them live. Who cares that is so far from the point. I keep my page on private as most do because myspace gets hacked constantly. Like I have said so many times , that Allen Kessler who is my friend suggested I post on hear from advice , not have my integrity attacked by people that do not even know me. I stated the facts , I left my page open so people could view the crime scene photo's and then I put it back on private this evening. If you wish to view it just put in a request. The website that I own has nothing to do with this and I don't need negative publicity to promote it, it does well on it's own. Again I appreciate all of the positive feedback I have got from many of you and I will no longer talk about the case as I said before, except for what is already stated. Allen said this was a good place to get advice and I am sorry I am not the best speller in the world either my Goodness who cares I am not as educated as many of you I guess.. I never claimed to be anything but a fellow poker player but I guess I made a mistake coming to this forum which I was told was filled with great people to get some good advice.

Wish you all the best

-EF

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Raking, your mistake was posting this in the NVG forum instead of the B&M forum. NVG stands for News, Views, Gossip, with an emphasis on views and gossip. It's a fun forum but not one to post to for any answers. B&M is for Bricks and Mortar players and many of us there have years of real world experience with casinos (unlike many here in NVG who are internet players and teens), including some who currently work at them, and could have given you good advice.

[bustedromo]

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sorry, you left a large sum of cash in your room safe when the cage was available right downstairs and now you want to basically extort a settlement from the Rio by threatening to engineer a smear campaign in the media. you claim $32,000 is a lot of money for you and would be a lot of money for anybody - anybody except the Rio I guess who should just cut you a check and say sorry for your stupidity.

you don't deserve the money, you are the one who exhibited gross negligence toward your own money by failing to avail yourself of the appropriate security measures offered by the hotel.

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QFT

I think what's going on in this thread is that there are some posters who know the OP personally and on that basis give him 100% credibility. There are others who, as fellow high-stakes gamblers, feel an affinity with the OP, and so want to believe him. And there are still others who don't like Harrah's specifically, or hotel-casinos in general, and they just blindly choose the side of the OP.

But anyone who looks at this objectively has to conclude OP doesn't have a leg to stand on.

If OP had told front desk "Hey, I'm going to be putting a large sum of cash/chips in my room safe, could you take some extra precautions?" they would have told him that the cage boxes are the hotel's solution for this customer need, and they'd really prefer if he didn't keep large amounts of cash/chips in his room.

Plus, the way it stands, it seems most likely to me that one of OP's friends or fellow gamblers is behind the theft, not hotel personnel. How are hotel personnel to know that OP, as distinguished from thousands of other hotel guests, has chosen to keep large amounts of cash in his room ? The only scenario where I see it as an "inside job" is if there was systematic burgularies going on.

No, I think it is very clear that OP is choosing to blame Harrah's simply because (1) he doesn't want to blame himself, (2) he can't confront the idea that one of his friends is behind it, or can't figure out who it is, (3) he figures Harrah's deep pockets will open up easy

Also, we can not rule out possibility the OP is playing us with a well-thought-out grift -- especially when you consider the "I'll donate half of what I get back to charity angle" ...

[jman220]

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Good catch.

Posting money means it is deposited into the CASINO CAGE, not put into a hotel room safe. The player posts the cash with the cage and can draw against it by filling out markers at the tables.

"Important to the story" is wrong, try "fatal to the story".

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See, thats what I thought it meant to. Which leaves me with the further question, OP, what did you "mean" when you said that you "posted 40k?"`

[richNYC]

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This thread is an insult to the English language...the principal matters...

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[MicroBob]

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Dude, Harrah's didn't steal your money.

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Actually there's a reasonable chance that one of their employees did and that Harrah's does have some amount of responsibility in this.

[MicroBob]

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I watched that same segment and ...umm...oddly enough, the only hotel in town that did not allow the man to get the hotel key or be allowed access into the room, was the Rio.

How ironic.

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Yeah, i thought that the Rio was the only one that he wasn't successful at but I couldn't remember for sure.
The MGM seemed like a cake-walk for getting somebody else's room-key.

Hardly relevant though as I'm sure you understand.
The point is that it appears to be possible almost at any hotel in LV as long as you happen to get the right desk-clerk who is letting their guard down.

So one desk-clerk at the Rio actually turning away the guy on TV and using correct procedure does not mean their security is perfect and that some scam-artist couldn't pull off something like this at that property.

[Cat]

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This thread is an insult to the English language...the principal matters...

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LOL I was about to point that out. Actually, I am shocked that the OP's first language IS English - I was half-joking thinking he was foreign.

But whether Harrah's should pay out the $32k or not (probably not, but i hope he maybe gets at least $10k if that's printed on some safes) I do think they seem to have handled the whole affair terribly. I mean, they don't return his calls or even move him to a new room?? I would have kicked up the world's biggest stink about that [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[MicroBob]

As I mentioned in a previous post, I'm still kind of confused by that aspect.
He couldn't just walk down to the front-desk and explain that they messed up his room pretty badly and he would like a new one? That just seems odd.

[Ray Zee]

putting money in rooms safes was discussed in the past a few times. if he had read my post of never to put money in them as they are not secure he wouldnt have had this problem, but i think the casinos should be sued for having them as they give a false sense that your money is safe in them when the opossite is true.

[nation]

gl getting your money back.