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#181
05-31-2007, 10:33 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is that Hakeem was so good he could single handedly lead a team to two titles? 
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#182
05-31-2007, 10:34 AM
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Championships mean absolutely nothing in terms of how good an individual player is. Until you understand that, having a discussion on this is pointless. [/ QUOTE ] Nothing?? Are you serious? Absolutely nothing? Winning means a lot. And you're wrong...in basketball one player can definitely make a team contenders by himself. Name your 10 best players of all time...how many of them havn't won a championship? The point you're missing is that I'm not just going by titles. If Hakeem had constantly gotten to the Finals but lost, then I'd give him more credit. I'm not just talking about championships, but winning overall.
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#183
05-31-2007, 10:37 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is that Hakeem was so good he could single handedly lead a team to two titles? [/ QUOTE ] Dude, I don't get why you seem to think that I hate Hakeem...yes, he was amazing! His first title had a perhaps one of the worst supporting casts of any title team ever. I love Hakeem. But I just think hes slightly worse than Duncan. In the last paragraph of my post above, I posted about how I hate how we get so one-sided when we have debates like this...well I'm not doing that! I'm not trying to discredit Hakeem at all. He is a great, great player. He just falls SLIGHTLY short of Duncan imho.
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#184
05-31-2007, 10:43 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't your last statement there argue in favor of Hakeem's greatness, and not against it? P.S. Hakeem's Rockets had an excellent record against Jordan's Bulls head to head. I wish they would have faced him in the Finals just once.
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#185
05-31-2007, 10:46 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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Championships mean absolutely nothing in terms of how good an individual player is. Until you understand that, having a discussion on this is pointless. [/ QUOTE ] It's a better barometer in basketball than any other sport, obv. Concur that it's not the sole barometer.
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#186
05-31-2007, 10:48 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is that Hakeem was so good he could single handedly lead a team to two titles? [/ QUOTE ] Hakeem's rockets were so good that it took them SEVEN freaking games to eek by a Knicks team that the Bulls routinely dismissed and damn near beat WITHOUT Jordan. My only point being that this mythical Rockets-Jordan Bulls series has a foregone conclusion.
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#187
05-31-2007, 10:51 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't your last statement there argue in favor of Hakeem's greatness, and not against it? P.S. Hakeem's Rockets had an excellent record against Jordan's Bulls head to head. I wish they would have faced him in the Finals just once. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, it definitely does. Once again.... I'm not trying to disprove Hakeem's greatness, and I have no clue why you guys would think that I am simply because I think that Duncan was slightly better.
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#188
05-31-2007, 10:56 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And have no doubt, the '95 Rockets team that swept the Magic would have been the toughest team the Bulls WOULD have faced in the Finals [/ QUOTE ] Disagree. I'm not even sure they are in the top half. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Clark here. The Rockets teams won 58(2nd seed in west) and 47(6th seed in west) games...they weren't that dominant. Moreover, they were pretty on dimensional with just Hakeem. [/ QUOTE ] So what you're saying is that Hakeem was so good he could single handedly lead a team to two titles? [/ QUOTE ] Hakeem's rockets were so good that it took them SEVEN freaking games to eek by a Knicks team that the Bulls routinely dismissed and damn near beat WITHOUT Jordan. My only point being that this mythical Rockets-Jordan Bulls series has a foregone conclusion. [/ QUOTE ] I agree the Rockets never would have beaten the Jordan Bulls, but that has nothing to do with Hakeem.
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#189
05-31-2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
Agreed. FTR, I think Hakeem >> Duncan.
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#190
05-31-2007, 11:08 AM
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Re: Best Big Men to Ever Play the Game
not to derail the topic but as a diehard knick fan, those bulls teams had a much tougher time against us than against any other team... even though on paper we were outgunned talent wise...
and almost all of the knicks series went at least 6 or 7 games because if the other team were better talent wise, like jordan's bulls, they'd slow the game to a crawl... and if they were better, their poor shooting, from 3 or the foul line kept things close... when the pace is that slow and the score differential that close, a lot of things can happen due to variance... imo, the 2nd iteration of those rockets teams would have given any of the bulls teams a run for their money... hell, the magic disposed the jordan comeback bulls fairly easily and the rockets swept them...
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