SSNL [cheese] thread: MARCH 2007 Pt. 2 (nc) - Page 181

FishSticks · #**1801** 03-23-2007, 03:25 PM

tufat -

Tough hand. That bacon guy is now gonna bust a few more stacks trying to emulate this.

carrotsnake · #**1802** 03-23-2007, 03:27 PM

grand, what hand and I dun even remember who you are ...

wrschultz · #**1803** 03-23-2007, 03:59 PM

caguma · #**1804** 03-23-2007, 04:26 PM

Some guy told the retard in this hand in the chat, wow, well played, which make me even tiltier.

POKERSTARS GAME #9050116457: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/03/23 - 16:15:08 (ET)
Table 'Bolyai II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: thespecies ($102 in chips)
Seat 2: YaaGy ($121.45 in chips)
Seat 3: jerrysmith25 ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 4: lhartman ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Trimmy76 ($66.15 in chips)
Seat 6: chrusher97 ($97 in chips)
thespecies: posts small blind $0.50
YaaGy: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thespecies [Ah Ad]
jerrysmith25: folds
lhartman: folds
Trimmy76: calls $1
chrusher97: folds
thespecies: raises $4 to $5
YaaGy: calls $4
Trimmy76: folds
*** FLOP *** [4h Ac 5s]
thespecies: bets $8
YaaGy: calls $8
*** TURN *** [4h Ac 5s] [7s]
thespecies: bets $20
YaaGy: raises $33 to $53
thespecies: raises $36 to $89 and is all-in
YaaGy: calls $36
*** RIVER *** [4h Ac 5s 7s] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
thespecies: shows [Ah Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
YaaGy: shows [3s 6s] (a straight, Three to Seven)
YaaGy collected $202 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $205 | Rake $3
Board [4h Ac 5s 7s 6h]
Seat 1: thespecies (small blind) showed [Ah Ad] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 2: YaaGy (big blind) showed [3s 6s] and won ($202) with a straight, Three to Seven
Seat 3: jerrysmith25 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: lhartman folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Trimmy76 folded before Flop
Seat 6: chrusher97 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

FishSticks · #**1805** 03-23-2007, 04:53 PM

lol it *was* well played by the "retard"!

obv preflop is sketchy, but you probably steal a ton preflop and he could have just been planning to float you bvb style with atc - nothing too crazy there.

postflop was perfect.

PBJaxx · #**1806** 03-23-2007, 05:02 PM

Here are a couple interesting hands from the HU match vs KLJ. I wanted to hear discussion on these, and they probably aren't worth a thread (loldonkaments).

Hand 1:

PLHE Tourney
Table '45485855 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PBJaxx (24160 in chips)
Seat 2: slavery_lol (23840 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. PBJaxx posts a blind of 160.
PBJaxx (poster) raises 640 to 960, BB :#A500AF(KLJ)/ calls 640.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
KLJ checks, PBJaxx bets 1280, KLJ raises 2320 to 3600, PBJaxx raises 9120 to 12720, KLJ folds.

At this point in the match we hadn't done much C/Ring and zero flop 3betting. The board was ripe for him to make a move, so a resteal is a pretty self-explanatory play. At the time, I chose my bet-size to make it obvious that I wasn't folding to any sort of 4-bet with as little as overs. Even if the size of the bet made it look like a bluff, there isn't much he can do without a hand. If he pushes here, I probably fold. I have the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] making a draw less likely, and he knows I can't fold often. Since he will expect me to call any 4-bet, I think I could lay down to one.

Table '45485855 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: PBJaxx (21827 in chips)
Seat 2: slavery_lol (26173 in chips)
PBJaxx: posts small blind 400
slavery_lol: posts big blind 800

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. PBJaxx posts a blind of 400.
PBJaxx (poster) raises 1600 to 2400, BB :#A500AF(KLJ)/ calls calls 1600.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
KLJ bets 3210, PBJaxx raises 4790 to 8000, KLJ raises 15773 to 23773 and is all-in, PBJaxx folds. KLJ had QT

This hand left me quite short, so we flipped a coin after this to give him the victory.

This was the first hand he donked into me as PFR. At the time, I convinced myself that he could donk that flop with ATC just to take it down. I wanted to raise small, but large enough that it left me getting ~3:1 on a call. Once again, I wanted to convince him that I had to call nearly all of my raising range. I was planning to raise/fold, but I almost made the call with 2 overs. It was so close. Finally, based upon how the game had been playing (very few flop raises, etc) while he most likely had a 1pair hand, his range was more likely to include sets/2pair/dominating 1pair hands (KT, QT, pair+FD) than it was to include a total bluff, so I mucked.

I think his lead here was very good. He can't risk giving me a card with a strong but vulnerable hand, so c/c'ing is out of the question. He also knows that I will check behind on occasion after raising. I am not 100% sure he realized this, but a C/R would have made my fold VERY easy. With the stacks where they are at, a C/R as a bluff is just too expensive, so it would be an easy laydown for me. When he lead, I realized that it was his only viable option for bluffing. When you combine that with that it is almost impossible for him to 3-bet as a bluff (cuz I have to call light), I felt like it was the perfect spot to raise. NH KLJ.

Well, no one is gonna read this novel, but those are my thoughts.

HaiaN · #**1807** 03-23-2007, 05:13 PM

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $165.00
UTG+1: $331.70
CO: $295.80
Hero: $341.80
SB: $393.18
BB: $192.80

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $8, Hero calls $8 (pot was $11), 2 folds.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($19, 2 players)
CO bets $13, Hero raises to $52, CO calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($123, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($123, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Results:
Final pot: $123

retarded monkey has KQo WTF

FishSticks · #**1808** 03-23-2007, 05:17 PM

PBJaxx -

little bit tldr for the cheese thread prolly

1) i like it, good logic

2) i see where you're coming from, BUT

[ QUOTE ]
This was the first hand he donked into me as PFR.

[/ QUOTE ]

this alone should make you decide it might not be the best time to make a big move with air IMO. oversimplifying perhaps, but you see what i mean.

shpanko · #**1809** 03-23-2007, 05:18 PM

I think I need another bucket for how bad I spew:

PBJaxx · #**1810** 03-23-2007, 05:23 PM

[ QUOTE ]
PBJaxx -

little bit tldr for the cheese thread prolly

[/ QUOTE ]

I know it was a bit too long, but I really didn't know where to put it.

[ QUOTE ]
2) i see where you're coming from, BUT

[ QUOTE ]
This was the first hand he donked into me as PFR.

[/ QUOTE ]

this alone should make you decide it might not be the best time to make a big move with air IMO. oversimplifying perhaps, but you see what i mean.

[/ QUOTE ]

You might be right. The flow of the game was changing a lot, though, because of the change in stack size (increasing blinds). The blinds had recently gone up, so even though we were still near even, the game had changed a lot. I probably shouldn't have mentioned that he hadn't donked yet because it was probably somewhat irrelevent.

To your point, though, I think I may have adjusted to him improperly. He was probably less likely to bluff there oop with shallow stacks than more likely.

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