Should the Pats be running up the score on everybody in garbage time?

[Dudd]

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Maybe its cause he's the only one watching the games.

Against SD, the game after the scandal broke: with 3 minutes left and a 31-14 lead they go for it on 4th and goal with 3 yds to go.

Buff: With a 38-7 lead and 4 minutes left, they go for it on 4th and 6 on the Buffalo 8.

I'm too lazy to look up the other games but are you guys starting to see a pattern?

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What are they supposed to do, kick a field goal? It's pretty standard with a big lead deep in your opponent's territory late in a game to go for it all 4 downs, worst case scenario you make your opponent go 90+ yards.

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the same way that the defense in indy sucked for so long, because payton had to have every offensive weapon they could muster. eventually they realized that formula wasn't going to work, and they tried to balance things a bit. they won a super bowl and good for

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Well sure but once they freed up cap space by letting Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and their Offensive line go, they were able to sign some good defensive players.

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wtf do you think i was even trying to say here? it's like you're answering a question i didn't even ask. your comment makes zero sense. do you just automatically assume that i was ragging on the colts here because i'm a pats fan?

the colts let edge walk, went with a rookie RB and used the money to improve their defense. they switched out an overpriced player for a cheap one in a highly replaceable position and reaped the benefits. this was a good move.

as for manning throwing for so many TD's because the colts D was so bad, they won 8 games by two touchdowns or more that season and had several games where manning threw for 4 or 5 TDs in 20+ point wins. this is what enabled him to break the record. so this whole 'he wasn't throwing fades up 14' crap really doesn't hold water. it's pretty LOL to me when colts fans like edge talk about the pats running up the score but forget that between weeks 10 and 13 the colts won four games by an average of 31 points.

but of course the colts would never run up the score, they are classy [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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1999 Rams
| 1 | Baltimore Ravens | W | 27-10 |
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| 3 | Atlanta Falcons | W | 35- 7 |
| 4 | at Cincinnati Bengals | W | 38-10 |
| 5 | San Francisco 49ers | W | 42-20 |
| 6 | at Atlanta Falcons | W | 41-13 |
| 7 | Cleveland Browns | W | 34- 3 |
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[/ QUOTE ]Didn't do the math before. These six games have a higher margin of victory than the Pats first six games (+154 for the Rams; +138 for the Pats). So what the Pats are doing is not unprecedented as Simmons likes to say.

(And the 2000 Rams scored 262 points in their first 6 games, compared to 230 for the Pats, so their offensive production isn't the highest ever either).

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Your forgetting that the Patriots play in Massachusetts while the Rams play in Missouri. Unprecedented bro ship the superbowl!!!1

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Maybe its cause he's the only one watching the games.

Against SD, the game after the scandal broke: with 3 minutes left and a 31-14 lead they go for it on 4th and goal with 3 yds to go.

Buff: With a 38-7 lead and 4 minutes left, they go for it on 4th and 6 on the Buffalo 8.

I'm too lazy to look up the other games but are you guys starting to see a pattern?

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What are they supposed to do, kick a field goal? It's pretty standard with a big lead deep in your opponent's territory late in a game to go for it all 4 downs, worst case scenario you make your opponent go 90+ yards.

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Exactly. I mean it's one thing if they're throwing Madden-style bombs to Moss on 4th down near midfield. It's another if they're just playing it safe and avoiding a fluke loss. And yes, I've seen more than one Pats game this year [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Maybe its cause he's the only one watching the games.

Against SD, the game after the scandal broke: with 3 minutes left and a 31-14 lead they go for it on 4th and goal with 3 yds to go.

Buff: With a 38-7 lead and 4 minutes left, they go for it on 4th and 6 on the Buffalo 8.

I'm too lazy to look up the other games but are you guys starting to see a pattern?

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What are they supposed to do, kick a field goal? It's pretty standard with a big lead deep in your opponent's territory late in a game to go for it all 4 downs, worst case scenario you make your opponent go 90+ yards.

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Exactly. I mean it's one thing if they're throwing Madden-style bombs to Moss on 4th down near midfield. It's another if they're just playing it safe and avoiding a fluke loss. And yes, I've seen more than one Pats game this year [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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c'mon, read that last one. 4th and 6 with a 31 point lead and 4 minutes left. you honestly don't think there is some spite there? whether or not going for it is the smart thing no one does it, you cannot argue that is standard. coaches kick there every time.

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I'm pretty sure running 4 times into the line is standard there, I'd be very surprised if the stats show that coaches regularly kick field goals late in blowouts.

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wtf do you think i was even trying to say here?

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No clue, unless it was exactly what you said "Manning was wanting all the weapons (and presumably the salary cap money for those weapons) on offense".

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it's like you're answering a question i didn't even ask. your comment makes zero sense. do you just automatically assume that i was ragging on the colts here because i'm a pats fan?


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Chill.

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the colts let edge walk, went with a rookie RB and used the money to improve their defense. they switched out an overpriced player for a cheap one in a highly replaceable position and reaped the benefits. this was a good move.

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This was one player, and given the contracts given to Harrison and Wayne, the financial gain was minimal. If you really wanted to make the point that Manning "gave up his weapons" you should bring up the fact that he agreed to rework his contract saving the Colts 8.2 million in Cap space this year. Of course, that will hurt the "selfish" hypothesis.

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LOL to me when colts fans like edge talk about the pats running up the score but forget that between weeks 10 and 13 the colts won four games by an average of 31 points.

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As I mentioned earlier, those games played out much like the Thanksgiving game. Peyton threw for 6 TDs in the first half, then called runs up the middle for the rest of the game (also, Sorgi played almost the entire 4th quarter if I remember correctly). How much playing time is Matt Cassell seeing these days?

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but of course the colts would never run up the score, they are classy

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Can you give examples of them playing like the Pats have played thus far? I've heard "They won games by big margins" but not "They won games by scoring TDs in the last few minutes when up 14+ or going for it on 4th downs".

Cody

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edge,

Yeah, I'm definitely the one taking this way too seriously.

And pot/kettle? I'm pretty sure if we took a poll regarding who was the more ridiculous homer, you would win in a landslide.

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Can you give examples of them playing like the Pats have played thus far? I've heard "They won games by big margins" but not "They won games by scoring TDs in the last few minutes when up 14+ or going for it on 4th downs".


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here are the "running it up" scores, as listed by Simmons

Week 1 at New York Jets (38-14): 1-yard TD by Heath Evans, 1:58 left.

Week 2 vs. San Diego (38-14): 3-yard TD by Sammy Morris, 3:18 left.

Week 3 vs. Buffalo (38-7): 45-yard TD catch by Randy Moss, 10:22 left.

Week 4 at Cincy (34-17): 14-yard TD catch by Randy Moss, 3:18 left.

Week 5 vs. Cleveland (34-17): 15-yard fumble return TD by Randall Gay, 0:42 left.

(Important note: This came one play after the Pats failed to convert the "Eff You TD" on fourth-and-goal from Cleveland's 4 when Brady just missed Kyle Brady in the end zone.)

Week 6 vs. Dallas (48-27): 1-yard TD run by Kyle Eckel, 0:19 left.

looking at those individually, the Cowboys one is the only one thats's really hard to justify.

stranger things have happened than giving up a 2 td lead late in the game.

Indianapolis Colts 38 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 35 OT
October 6, 2003
Colts trailed 35-14 with less than four minutes left in regulation, and ended up winning

New York Giants 30 Philadelphia Eagles 24
September 17, 2006
The NYG had trailed 24-7 in the fourth quarter

Buffalo Bills 41 Houston Oilers 38 OT
January 3, 1993
The Bills had trailed 35-3

New York Jets 40 Miami Dolphins 37 OT
October 30, 2000
The NYJ had trailed 30-7 in the fourth quarter

San Francisco 49ers 39 New York Giants 38
January 5, 2003
the niners had trailed 38-14 late in the third quarter

Dallas Cowboys 30 San Francisco 49ers 28
December 23, 1972
Cowboys had trailed 28-13, Cowboys score 2 TD's within the last 2 minutes to win

Dallas Cowboys 35 New York Giants 32
September 15, 2003
The Cowboys had trailed 29-14

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I wouldn't call it running up the score - maybe "not playing conservative" - but that's about it.