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#171
09-25-2007, 02:48 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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Washington fans are getting sick of this too with 2nd half meltdowns vs. Ohio State and UCLA. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't due to poor scheme. This is due to lack of talent on the team compared to their opponent and the team screwing up(primarily in the 3rd quarter). b 
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#172
09-25-2007, 02:56 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] Washington fans are getting sick of this too with 2nd half meltdowns vs. Ohio State and UCLA. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't due to poor scheme. This is due to lack of talent on the team compared to their opponent and the team screwing up(primarily in the 3rd quarter). b [/ QUOTE ] See this is the thing about a big time coach like Charlie Weis is that he makes the half time adjustments. Of ND's four opponents only four have outperformed them in the second half.
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#173
09-25-2007, 03:00 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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Every other school had the same opportunity to give out four xillion scholarships. It's not like ND and Alabama and USC had some big advantage that everyone else didn't have. [/ QUOTE ] Sure they did. History and Name recognition. The only thing that could really weaken a school back then was sanctions. Otherwise, they were football factories. Is it any mystery that once they started limiting scholarships more that parity started to set in? b
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#174
09-25-2007, 03:03 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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I think trying to run a team exactly as you do in the NFL doesn't work. [/ QUOTE ] Walsh showed that at Stanford. [ QUOTE ] There are just a lot of little things like that Weis does that Willingham didn't which is why I believe Weis will ultimately be successful. [/ QUOTE ] I think if this were true, Weiss would be further along with ND than Willingham is with UW. b
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#175
09-25-2007, 03:12 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] Washington fans are getting sick of this too with 2nd half meltdowns vs. Ohio State and UCLA. [/ QUOTE ] This isn't due to poor scheme. This is due to lack of talent on the team compared to their opponent and the team screwing up(primarily in the 3rd quarter). b [/ QUOTE ] Hey b, You really want to give the coaches a pass when players fail to execute fundamentals? I wish you knew how many times I'd puke a little in my mouth when I'd hear Ty say in his postgame newsconference "We didn't execute today." Good coaches train their players to execute when it matters (and yes Weis has had enormous difficulty with this particular issue this year) I have a bit of a personal anecdote I'd like to share about Ty and I'd appreciate your thoughts. My dad is a 1960 ND grad and attended the Notre Dame Alumni Senate in the early spring of '03 following Ty's first year. He had the chance to speak w/Ty and the conversation went something like this: My dad: "Sir, the team was playing extremely well until after the loss to B.C. (which was followed by the blowout losses to USC and NC State in the Gator Bowl). What happened with the team?" Ty: "Well, you see at Notre Dame, you play for the National Championship every year. When we had our first loss, the air was let out of the balloon and the team didn't recover" My dad shook his hand and left, only to later think "isn't it the coach's job to ensure his players are properly motivated for every game?" I would wonder the same thing. Ty's teams are always marked by emotional instability. His ND teams would play their asses off against Michigan but be totally flat against a BYU or Syracuse (teams they should beat with relative ease but find a way to lose to). Similarly, at UW, they'll play hard against USC but suffer a humiliating 20-3 loss to a winless Stanford squad. He'll never be a successful until he reverses the trend of beating teams he should beat whle maintaining strong emotional momentum for his big games. Unfortunately for the Huskies I don't see this trend changing any time soon.
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#176
09-25-2007, 03:13 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] Every other school had the same opportunity to give out four xillion scholarships. It's not like ND and Alabama and USC had some big advantage that everyone else didn't have. [/ QUOTE ] Sure they did. History and Name recognition. The only thing that could really weaken a school back then was sanctions. Otherwise, they were football factories. Is it any mystery that once they started limiting scholarships more that parity started to set in? b [/ QUOTE ] So then kids DO care about tradition, and the scholarship limits mittigate that, right? Also, note that correllation =/= causation. TV exposure is so much bigger now. Not too long ago, very few teams could reliably get on TV more than once a year (if that). More kids are playing football in highschool, and in pee wee leagues, even. There's more talent everywhere.
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#177
09-25-2007, 03:23 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
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[ QUOTE ] I think trying to run a team exactly as you do in the NFL doesn't work. [/ QUOTE ] Walsh showed that at Stanford. [ QUOTE ] There are just a lot of little things like that Weis does that Willingham didn't which is why I believe Weis will ultimately be successful. [/ QUOTE ] I think if this were true, Weiss would be further along with ND than Willingham is with UW. b [/ QUOTE ] If you measure beyond the myopic view of 2007's wins and losses and examine the overall health of the program (including the successes of '05 and '06), you'll see Notre Dame's long term prospects are far superior to Washington's. Two (soon to be three) consecutive top ten recruiting classes, and terrific talent on the coaching staff (Mike Haywood and Corwin Brown) are laying a strong foundation for years to come. We're taking our lumps this year (worse than I imagined from when the season began) but the program is clearly heading in the right direction. Not sure you can say that about UW at this point.
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#178
09-25-2007, 03:26 PM
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but the program is clearly heading in the right direction. Not sure you can say that about UW at this point. [/ QUOTE ] Wow, I think you've got that backwards.
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#179
09-25-2007, 03:31 PM
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(including the successes of '05 and '06) [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand how you can blame Ty's lack of recruiting for the failures this year and give Weiss the accolades for the success in '05 and '06
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#180
09-25-2007, 03:33 PM
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Re: The state of Notre Dame football.
"When Willingham should have been putting on the finishing touches on a sorry recruiting class at the end of the '03 season, he neglected the recruiting trail in favor of taking his assistant coaches on a week long golf junket. " Yes, and clearly Weis would never, say, put the Patriots ahead of ND's recruiting. I'd love to hear the Notre Dame Has No Seniors theory fans respond to Ohio State's two deep.
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