VH1's "The Pick up Artist"

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i think you are focused entirely too much on the money concept. is this a general pua concept, or something you personally feel strongly about?

*edit* to clarify, i have never felt any qualms about buying a girl a drink.

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But what is your *motive* and what kind of power dynamic does that create?

If you buy strange men drinks with the same frequency and do not expect them to 'buy the next one' so your doing it equal to strangers of both sexes, OK, but I suspect this is nto the case as it rarely is with males.

[Dudd]

I don't the hate for this. Look at yourself if you're good with women, look at your friends who are, and you'll see that they act much more like the PUA's than the geeky nerds who are on the show. It's all well and good to say that you should just be yourself, but if being yourself isn't making you happy and isn't getting you what you want, you'd be a fool to keep acting the same way just because that's who you are. I'm sure that you don't have to wear a ridiculous shirt or dye an equal sign into your hair to get girls, but it seems pretty obvious that just changing your mindset and doing things that give you confidence can't be anything but a plus. I'm not a PUA defender or anything like that, I'm really quite similar to most of the guys on the show, but it just seems to me like it's stupid to purposefully keep doing the same unsuccessful things.

[bkholdem]

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no i enjoy going to clubs and having good times with friends. and often i am intent on picking up women. i just said i don't care so much about improving that ability that it is a focus of my life.



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And some people don't care to focus on improving their education, or financial status, or whatever. To each his own. I just find it funny that poker players get down on this stuff. No problem siding up to some clueless guy at the poker table and acting friendly to him and complementing/ empathizing wtih him on his bad play "You had to call, you had a flush draw"..whatever and licking your chops as he reloads waiting for your turn to get your clutches on his chips....

but guys who are afraid of women and want to learn how to talk to chicks so they don't turn their backs on them are somehow bad people? LMAO

[Alamo]

I don't care what anybody says on this board, the whole PUA stuff works. When I first found mASF, I was totally clueless, even though I was aware that *something* was off.
It has been a very interesting journey, and actually made me a better, more stable and more secure man, that *thanks to these changes* (note the order of things here) I was able to seduce quite a few women.

Culminating in marrying a hot latina girl after a couple of years of pretty wild living.

The whole PUA stuff *can* be regarded as a gimmick without havin the inner convictions that one needs to become a better man, and halfway decent at life in general.

HOWEVER, the more intelligent (or maybe somewhat older?) ones do not blindly go for the pussy, they go for a life changing experience, as it has been for me. The girls are merely a very entertaining side effect, at least, for me.

If I could change my poker as I changed my love life, and my life in general, I would be a player to take into account in the sunday millions.

So really, all the hate the PUA community receives here should be regarded with a pinch of salt, as it is very human to disdain what one can not have (or does not have the willpower to apply consistently).
And what about one poster in this thread being so worried about STD's when sleeping with a lot of girls?

I mean WTF man, there is protection, and if you are worried that you get an STD from being blown, I assume you just prefer to jack off. All this fear of life, shame really...

I am willing to bet that the haters do have not a clue what the seduction community is all about, and since it is much less underground than it was 5 years ago, they will have lots of trouble finding the good stuff.

Interesting enough, my wife and me went out to have dinner the first night she arrived in the country I lived in at that time.

I told her to pay.

She did.

[NozeCandy]

Whatever, PUA can be good if you use it to legitimately improve yourself and it can be bad if you just use it to manipulate people but don't really fix what was causing all your social problems in the first place.

[bkholdem]

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I don't the hate for this. Look at yourself if you're good with women, look at your friends who are, and you'll see that they act much more like the PUA's than the geeky nerds who are on the show. It's all well and good to say that you should just be yourself, but if being yourself isn't making you happy and isn't getting you what you want, you'd be a fool to keep acting the same way just because that's who you are. I'm sure that you don't have to wear a ridiculous shirt or dye an equal sign into your hair to get girls, but it seems pretty obvious that just changing your mindset and doing things that give you confidence can't be anything but a plus. I'm not a PUA defender or anything like that, I'm really quite similar to most of the guys on the show, but it just seems to me like it's stupid to purposefully keep doing the same unsuccessful things.

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QFT

And you don't have to pay ppl like mystery to change in this regard. In fact I advocate against those seminars on principle as I think they benefit the guys who run them more than the students. I also know there are other ways to learn and grow for free in this regard.

If I was gonna take a mystery seminar it would be:
'learn how to successfully get guys to pay you $1K/weekend in groups of 10 to hang out at clubs and party while being the center of attention' lol

[Alamo]

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Whatever, PUA can be good if you use it to legitimately improve yourself and it can be bad if you just use it to manipulate people but don't really fix what was causing all your social problems in the first place.

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The first part of the sentence, I wholeheartedly agree. The last part, not, even though I admit you have to first be aware you have those problems, really do your digging, read recommended books and apply apply apply.

Due to some stuff I will not bore you with (cause), I have had some problems in social situations (effect), and I have managed to turn it around 180 degrees. So if you say this last part of the sentence to me, I cannot do anything else than disagree, since I simply am living proof you are wrong.

Not trying to be a nit here, but I would prefer the last part of your sentence to be "but in *many cases* don't really fix what was causing all your social problems in the first place".

[bkholdem]

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Going to clubs isn't the only way to pick up women. There's bookstores, coffee shops, college campuses, all sorts of places. MENSA meetings I suppose if those are the types of chicks you like. I haven't delved real deeply into the whole PUA thing, but I certainly don't think it's only about going to clubs. Is that what you're saying?

It seems to me it's easiest to go to clubs to work on these skills since that's where a lot of women are, and usually they will be a bit more receptive than if they were out with their mother or something.

It seems that many of the guys that study this PUA stuff do so to get the woman they want but can't attain right now. In order to get her, of course you have to go through a lot of stupid chicks, and even a lot of smart chicks. They just chose to be active about it and not to hope she magically falls in their lap somehow.

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I know a group of guys from Boston who do the whole bookstore, coffee shop, sidewalk cafe, shopping mall, college campus, etc and do not like the bars and clubs.

To each his own. Women are everywhere.

[bkholdem]

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how hard is it to score in a club when you have a camera crew following you around?

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Get 4 friends and a camera. Take turns being the star. lol

[bkholdem]

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why the [censored] did he keep asking girls to buy him drinks?

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girls are not logical. u gotta pwn them.

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It steals their frame. Girls are used to schleps falling over themselves to buy them drinks so that the girl will give him 5 minutes of her time. F that! Take Charge! Don't go begging "Can I please give you free stuff?" LMAO

Never buy chicks you are not sleeping with anything (unless you would buy a male friend the same stuff in the same situation with no expectation of ever getting treated back in the future).

Never date chicks that you are not already banging.

Screw asking for phone numbers. You know what it means when you ask a chick for her phone number?
It means "I want to bang you but I haven't figured out how yet, so when I figure out how I will give you a call."

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Agree on the drinks part, disagree on the phone number part, and totally disagree on not dating unless you've already had sex because I think thats much more of a personal and moral issue(for both of you) than something that should be an absolute rule.

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Fair enough. The last 2 were just my personal rules anyway.