Donkey Test

[davebwell]

For question 24 I voted fold.

It has to do more with the description of the opponent as a good solid player. The pot odds might justify the call but I don't want to double up the good players with a very weak holding. I'd rather keep them hanging on by the skin of their teeth.

[pendragon]

I got an 89, below average. Took me an hour or a bit more I think. I paid the $10, figured I had spent so long on the test I might has well, but wish I hadn't as I was disappointed in the breakdown. No additional insights over the sample really.

Though I consider some questions on the test to be dubious, below average makes sense for me as I've only played home games. So I have no non-casual experience, and I've never read a strategy book of any sort. Hope to make a trip to the casino as soon as my buddies can coordinate schedules, AC is two hours away (I refuse to play online because of addiction risk...I'm afraid I'd lose dozens of hours a month to that if I started!)

The questions where I least understand the widely accepted right answer are 6 (raise with QJo) and 23 (fold with 10 high flush). I guess with 6 by raising you're being aggressive, and probably have two live cards...but since I'm not a blind I would've folded there in real life. And in 23, I can see the concerns about a higher flush or full house, but I just don't think those are very likely in real life. I would think the other guys were holding two pair or had a straight draw/hit a straight with the 6 on the turn. I couldn't see myself doing anything other than raising in that situation.

This was a real good thread, keep it up! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[gedanken]

$0.10 * 100 = $10

I play $.05/$.10, many questions are $5/$10

[pocketpared]

Never played a hand of NL or read a single sentence on the game. Played 7CS one year. Been playing LHE 3 months.


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[KipBond]

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And in 23, I can see the concerns about a higher flush or full house, but I just don't think those are very likely in real life. I would think the other guys were holding two pair or had a straight draw/hit a straight with the 6 on the turn. I couldn't see myself doing anything other than raising in that situation.

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Unless both of those guys are complete donkeys, then you are definitely up against at least 1 hand that has you beat, and probably both. You don't have a T-high flush, either; you can't count the T on the board -- you have a 7-high flush. In fact, you have the 2nd lowest flush possible -- you can only beat 1 other flush: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Since there are 8 other clubs out, there are 28 other flush combinations out there -- and 27 of those have you beat. You were right that someone might have had 2 pair: T9 perhaps. But they just boated-up on the river. Most likely the min-raiser has a higher flush than you, and the 3rd raiser on the river just boated up.

[ev_slave]

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Hope to make a trip to the casino as soon as my buddies can coordinate schedules, AC is two hours away (I refuse to play online because of addiction risk...I'm afraid I'd lose dozens of hours a month to that if I started!)

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This should be a very real fear! I'm having to go cold turkey with online poker for the next month due to comprehensive field exams, but it'd be so easy to just pull up FTP and start playing right now even - sometimes online poker is just too convenient. I'm settling for once a day check ups on 2+2 though. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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The questions where I least understand the widely accepted right answer are 6 (raise with QJo) and 23 (fold with 10 high flush). I guess with 6 by raising you're being aggressive, and probably have two live cards...but since I'm not a blind I would've folded there in real life.

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www.pokerstove.com has a free equity calculator that will run out all possibilities of cards that can come up given your hand and your opponent's hand or hand range and tell you what percent of the time you win/lose/tie. It can also run "Monte Carlo" experiments where it just runs and runs randomly (instead of systematically) generated cards out and keeps track of who's won to generate equity estimates.

Running a Monte Carlo with QJo vs. 2 random hands (since the blinds haven't had a chance to act, we can't guess anything about their cards, so we just consider them random) pokerstove gives us the estimate that we have 41.351% equity (over 50.1 million games played). Since we only need 33.33% equity to win our "fair share" of the hands, it makes sense to raise. In plain English, we're ahead enough to raise.

[PequDios]

How about some more questions?

[cheburashka]

Middle stages of a heads up sit 'n go tournament. Your opponent is not very aggressive.

You are in the SB/button and hold: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

[gedanken]

according to HOH, you always have odds to call from the SB/button heads up, so long as opponent doesn't raise often.

We don't want to be too predictable, so raising trash rarely (10% is good) sounds right to me. I don't mind folding 84o 10%, either. Maybe villian won't notice that we're always calling, this way.

Seems like 100% call is defensible, but I choose 10/80/10

[PequDios]

I voted for the 10/80/10, 'cause you can't be predictable to just always call with junk hand and always raise with good hands.

But of course I would sometimes raise, fold or call more often depending on my M and Q, how many players are left, if I'm we're in the money or not and how aggressively I've been playing. But given the situation I think 10/80/10 is the right move.