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tufat23 · #**171** 10-05-2006, 11:50 AM

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i really dont understand this arguement unless you have a history, as I play 21/14 and will pop it to $20 with 22+/AQ+/sc if I feel pfr is TAG/LAG who will open a decent range and fold a decent range.

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OOP in the small blind? To a UTG raiser who is a strong player? I agree repopping light has its place. I also agree 4 betting has its place, but I don't think this is it.

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yeh but i'm gonna go ahead and assume your opening range UTG is:

22+/T9s+/AJo+/KQo/KJs

of which you can only really play TT+/AQs/AKo and even then TT/JJ for set value, plus dead money from CO and button that I'd have squeezed out. Your thinking that I wouldnt try this [censored] vs a TAG who raises UTG helps this play be more effective. i would however never try this vs a 45/5 guy

edit: looking again you definitely have to 4-bet here because this is going at least 3-way if you call, and that could get ugly

jbird · #**172** 10-05-2006, 11:53 AM

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Your thinking that I wouldnt try this [censored] vs a TAG who raises UTG helps this play be more effective.

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I didn't say TAG. I said strong player that has position on you. Also, if you are sqeezing me, why would I want to 4-bet you and let you fold?

anacrime · #**173** 10-05-2006, 12:24 PM

DrFeelinFine's 3-bet range isn't too tight but isn't very loose either.

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vbet river

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Easier said than done on that board -- the only hand I beat that reraises pre is QQ.

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He isn't checking this river ever with a hand that beats you. He's the aggressor and has no reason to think you are going to bet river, so he'll never attempt a c/r. Since we're almost 100% sure we have the best hand on the river, we can bet safely vbet (say $30 or so). About 50-60% of the time he'll fold and the other % we can extra money.

Thin value bets / good hand reading skills = the nuts at SSNL.

tufat23 · #**174** 10-05-2006, 12:29 PM

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Your thinking that I wouldnt try this [censored] vs a TAG who raises UTG helps this play be more effective.

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I didn't say TAG. I said strong player that has position on you. Also, if you are sqeezing me, why would I want to 4-bet you and let you fold?

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you wouldnt if you knew i was squeezing but to squeeze the 3-bet has to be around $22. in the situation you posted you have to 4-bet because multiway almost EVERY flop is gonna look ugly

i read 'strong' = TAG, vs a LAG I want to squeeze even moreso

jbird · #**175** 10-05-2006, 12:35 PM

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in the situation you posted you have to 4-bet because multiway almost EVERY flop is gonna look ugly

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I agree with the multiway pot argument though.

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jbird · #**176** 10-05-2006, 12:39 PM

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He isn't checking this river ever with a hand that beats you.

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You don't check AQ, AJ, even 99 or maybe 88 here if you are villain on that board given preflop / flop action?

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Thin value bets / good hand reading skills = the nuts at SSNL.

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I agree 100%. However if results aren't here I'm not sure you put him on exactly QQ or a squeeze w/ air, which are basically the only hands that RR me preflop that I beat here.

anacrime · #**177** 10-05-2006, 01:10 PM

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He isn't checking this river ever with a hand that beats you.

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You don't check AQ, AJ, even 99 or maybe 88 here if you are villain on that board given preflop / flop action?

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No way he has any of those hands here. He will vbet AQ, 99 and 88 prob 100% of the time, AJ a little less (if he ever has it here which he doesn't very often). He has absolutely no reason to think we'd bet this river (barring some history b/w you two which wasn't stated) so I don't think he ever attempts c/r here.

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Thin value bets / good hand reading skills = the nuts at SSNL.

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I agree 100%. However if results aren't here I'm not sure you put him on exactly QQ or a squeeze w/ air, which are basically the only hands that RR me preflop that I beat here.

[/ QUOTE ]I don't need to put him on QQ 100% (even though that is overwhelmingly the most likely hand) because I affirm that he never checks turn and river with a hand that beats us. Therefore betting river is inherently +EV no matter how thin it is. You obv played the hand fine just I think we should be trying to squeeze as much value out of players who we are probably neutrally (or slightly + or -) EV against as much as we can.

Another thought: If he bet $40 on river, do you call?

Bill Smith · #**178** 10-05-2006, 01:46 PM

OMG, so many names I recognize now...

TheAccountant...

Flame away. My brief 12k hands or so at NL 1/2 6 max have me barely ahead. A couple bad hands, tons of really bad beats.

goofyballer · #**179** 10-05-2006, 02:05 PM

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OUT YOURSELVES, BITCHES

thy_judge_
Berg__
Karatefylla (or something similar)
GamblerNCH
Boomstick27 (or similar)

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WTF, it's been like 24 hours and nobody's owning up to the nicks I posted earlier? You guys anger me.

A few more I thought of I'd like to know:

Fifty_Outzz
Honktehkate
No_Choice (or similar)
Z33ST0X

goofyballer · #**180** 10-05-2006, 02:09 PM

LOLOL I just saw the locked thread this dude posted:

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STUNTINLIKEMYDADDY, or originally BigChips2008. Stats on me anyone? hands I played awfully? flame away!!!

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LMAO my buddy singularity8 was talking for like two days about this hand you played badly against him (drew w/ bad odds or something and sucked out) and he buddylisted you, swearing revenge, I'll see if I can get him to send me the HH...good times, I don't think I played against you much but I did see you around the tables a lot while datamining