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07-31-2006, 01:48 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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[ QUOTE ] It's such a shame for really great players to get all their money in against idiots as a 70/30 fav for a huge pot and be sent home... [/ QUOTE ] Great players shouldn't make a habit of putting their tournament life at risk when a 70/30 favorite. They won't survive very long. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think that's true. 
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#172
07-31-2006, 01:49 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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Adanthar is out [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] I watched Adanthar for a bit after dinner. He was awfully card dead and seemed to be getting a bit frustrated. One really tough hand for him came as follows: 25/100/200, Adanthar is on the BB. A player in MP is dealt a card face up, Adanthar thought there was a misdeal (I'm not sure if it was from that or if he thought someone said misdeal) so he looked at his cards (7T of clubs) and started to toss them in the muck. Before they could get scooped up, it was alerted to him that it wasn't a misdeal, and he grabbed them back. Pretty much everyone saw him throw his cards in, though. It gets folded around to LP who makes it 600. Adanthar decides to call (wisely), and the flop comes down 89J. Adanthar leads for 800ish, LP calls. Turn 7 brings check/2k/call. River A causes Adanthar to bet 2k and get called. LP has JT and it's a chop. Very tough. Right before his table broke Adanthar lost a few chips on what looked to be a steal/cbet gone bad. I'm not sure what he had but he looked really frustrated. He moved two tables over to a table that was going to break in 10 minutes, and in that time went bust in a blind v blind with Ad7x v J8 on a 9TQ board. No diamond. A - good to meet you if ever so briefly. Sorry to see your demise, sometimes when you don't get the cards there's absolutely nothing you can do. As for others, I really saw stunningly few players I recognized in the field. I saw Nath, but no idea what his stack was as he was 3 tables from the rail. I did see Mark Seif double with 22 against AJ on a J32 flop. The Turkey Sandwich in the Sports Kitchen at the Rio is not bad, but for $8.99 I'd like a couple pieces of bacon and maybe a slice of Swiss or Cheddar. The OJ with it was a good call. I roll tomorrow. I'm f excited.
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#173
07-31-2006, 01:49 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's such a shame for really great players to get all their money in against idiots as a 70/30 fav for a huge pot and be sent home... [/ QUOTE ] Great players shouldn't make a habit of putting their tournament life at risk when a 70/30 favorite. They won't survive very long. [/ QUOTE ] wtf??? i guess i don't understand tournament strategy [/ QUOTE ] If you do it just twice, you've got a 50% chance of being eliminated. A 70/30 edge isn't that big. I'm obviously not saying you should fold if somebody else goes all-in and you somehow know you've got a 70/30 advantage. You would call instantly. It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge.
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#174
07-31-2006, 01:50 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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[ QUOTE ] Great players shouldn't make a habit of putting their tournament life at risk when a 70/30 favorite. They won't survive very long. [/ QUOTE ] Maybe you're being sarcastic, but any great player should be very happy to take 70/30 favorites, if you don't you're not that great. It's a terrible mistake to not do it. [/ QUOTE ] Why are you posting and not stacking chips?
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#175
07-31-2006, 01:51 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's such a shame for really great players to get all their money in against idiots as a 70/30 fav for a huge pot and be sent home... [/ QUOTE ] Great players shouldn't make a habit of putting their tournament life at risk when a 70/30 favorite. They won't survive very long. [/ QUOTE ] wtf??? i guess i don't understand tournament strategy [/ QUOTE ] If you do it just twice, you've got a 50% chance of being eliminated. A 70/30 edge isn't that big. I'm obviously not saying you should fold if somebody else goes all-in and you somehow know you've got a 70/30 advantage. You would call instantly. It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge. [/ QUOTE ] Dynasty, How do you propose you win the tournament without continually taking advantage of 70/30 situations? Thanks.
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#176
07-31-2006, 01:51 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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If you do it just twice, you've got a 50% chance of being eliminated. A 70/30 edge isn't that big. [/ QUOTE ] If you're not, you have 4x the chips. [ QUOTE ] It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge. [/ QUOTE ] Correct, but 70/30 is not a "small" edge.
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#177
07-31-2006, 01:52 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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If you do it just twice, you've got a 50% chance of being eliminated. A 70/30 edge isn't that big. I'm obviously not saying you should fold if somebody else goes all-in and you somehow know you've got a 70/30 advantage. You would call instantly. It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge. [/ QUOTE ] at least now i know youre joking
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#178
07-31-2006, 01:54 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] It's such a shame for really great players to get all their money in against idiots as a 70/30 fav for a huge pot and be sent home... [/ QUOTE ] Great players shouldn't make a habit of putting their tournament life at risk when a 70/30 favorite. They won't survive very long. [/ QUOTE ] wtf??? i guess i don't understand tournament strategy [/ QUOTE ] If you do it just twice, you've got a 50% chance of being eliminated. A 70/30 edge isn't that big. I'm obviously not saying you should fold if somebody else goes all-in and you somehow know you've got a 70/30 advantage. You would call instantly. It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge. [/ QUOTE ] where does the 50% come from?
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#179
07-31-2006, 01:54 AM
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Re: WSOP Main Event Day 1C Sweat
Dyn is talking about "survival" in a tourney.
Obviously in a cash game you'd take 70/30 every single time (heck you'd take 51/49 assuming your bankroll is healthy) but in a tournament sometimes you pass on small +EV situations because the risk is going out of the tournament is too great.(the AK vs AT example does not fit this, as it was not a small +EV situation) Basically the EV of assured survival is greater than the +EV of the chips to be won on that particular hand. That was his point I'm assuming. However 70/30 isn't one of these small situations I dont' think. In a key pot, a big pot, a pot that will give you enough chips to be a powerhouse, you gotta take the 70/30 (or 60/40 or 55/25 for that matter) in a heartbeat.
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#180
07-31-2006, 01:55 AM
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It's not necessary to put your whole stack at risk just because you've got a small edge. [/ QUOTE ] Dynasty, Where do you get the idea to pronounce such awful statements as fact? This topic was discussed ad nauseum with your idea proven wrong by just about every good thinking tournament player short of Phil Hellmuth. The 70/30 statement was bad enough, just leave the topic alone and keep your dignity. Move on.
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