Hi, WSEX GM here, looking forward to being part of this board.

[MEbenhoe]

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Basically what I think a lot of us are trying to get across is that making your site as 2+2er friendly as possible, should not be your main goal. It's nice that you ask for our input, but this strategy will not put you in the best position for long term success, and will not attract the sports betting/casino crowd you need to keep your site rake-free. If you do keep to this strategy, I have a feeling you'll end up like Absolute Poker, and I don't think anyone wants to see that.

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I won't argue your points one way or the other because it's obviously a matter of opinion with valid arguements for both sides.

But I would like to know why you mention Absolute, but you don't mention Party or Poker Stars? They are the most "2+2 friendly" sites on the web, and they are the largest and most popular and successful.

Did this little fact just slip your mind?

On a side note, the WSEX GM came here for suggestions. Everyone should probably take the "semi-bot/hand history" debate to a different thread.

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different time, different place. Party and Stars did not build up their player bases by being 2+2er friendly. They became 2+2er friendly after their player bases were already huge.

[heater]

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Basically what I think a lot of us are trying to get across is that making your site as 2+2er friendly as possible, should not be your main goal. It's nice that you ask for our input, but this strategy will not put you in the best position for long term success, and will not attract the sports betting/casino crowd you need to keep your site rake-free. If you do keep to this strategy, I have a feeling you'll end up like Absolute Poker, and I don't think anyone wants to see that.

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I won't argue your points one way or the other because it's obviously a matter of opinion with valid arguements for both sides.

But I would like to know why you mention Absolute, but you don't mention Party or Poker Stars? They are the most "2+2 friendly" sites on the web, and they are the largest and most popular and successful.

Did this little fact just slip your mind?

On a side note, the WSEX GM came here for suggestions. Everyone should probably take the "semi-bot/hand history" debate to a different thread.

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The difference is that Party and Stars already had a large playerbase before HUD's existed.

[Gregg777]

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different time, different place. Party and Stars did not build up their player bases by being 2+2er friendly. They became 2+2er friendly after their player bases were already huge.

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The difference is that Party and Stars already had a large playerbase before HUD's existed.

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You are both correct, however, if you compare Party and Poker Stars to UB, Poker Room, Absolute, etc. Over the past two years Party and Poker Stars have grown much more popular over the same time period.

True a lot of it has to do with their advertising budgets, but UB and Full Tilt also advertise on TV and sponsor players more than anyone.

But all of that aside, if you removed all of the multi taling semi bots from Party and Poker Stars you would have much smaller sites.

Enough from me though, unless you want to start a new thread.

[Alobar]

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Amazing the mental gyrations the defenders of multitabling will put themselves through to try to put forth their case.

OK it is simple.

Multitablers annoy the fish.

Multitablers frighten the fish.

Multitablers clean out the fish.

Management of online poker rooms are imbecillic to try to emulate Party and Stars by attracting the multitabling grinders. It won't work for new sites, and eventually it will destroy the base for the older sites.

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Multitables do not annoy the fish or frighten the fish. Do you think a fish looks at 6 different tables and sees the same guy on all of them and then is like "oh he must be shark... ahhhh!!! i dont want to play here anymore!!"?!?

And yes multitablers clean the fish out. They were going to get cleaned out anyway. If it speeds up the process, sure they get cleaned out faster but that means I just get my money from the fish quicker. I still get the same amount of money from them.


Think of it this way. If im allowed to play 6 tables instead of 3, me and other players like me will clean the fish out twice as fast. So the fish last half as long. But I end up making twice as much money during the time period I do clean the fish out, so in the end it all evens out and I just get my money faster.

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ugh, and you are the guy always hounding WPX with suggestions and stuff? I think I need to start calling them all the time, because your logic is pretty flawed.

Its not 1 multitabler on 6 tables that scare fish, its the same 4 people sitting at EVERY 5max table on the site. When you only have 3 or 4 tables going at a certain limit, its effing retarded to up the max number of tables. Some guy isnt going to be excited to play when he looks at his lobby and sees 8 tables going, and then its the same people on all 8 tables.

You need to get some friends that know zero about poker and introduce them to the game, they think so differently about the game than someone who plays it well, its unbelievable. Dont forget the common thinking of most people is still that online poker is rigged and its full of robots. What do you think the new guy is going to think when he sees the exact same table 8 times?

Also your example of getting money from the fish, is exactly why a poker site shouldnt be listening to the 2+2 community. Do you honestly think that a fish going busto as fast as possible is good for the site, just because it gets you money faster? This is HORRIBLE logic.

The beauty of rake free is that it takes the fish longer to go broke, they are going to have bigger rushes, and enjoy the game more, that is if they dont go BUSTO in a couple hours because they are the only fish at the table, because there are X number of other fish, now spread out over waaay more tables, because WPX listened to the 2+2er who wanted to be able to 50 table.

Its bad for the site if they go broke fast, and its bad for the sharks. Would you rather have some guy deposit $100 and go broke incredibly fast, be frustrated because he cant beat all these 8 tabling pros (or robots) and never play again, or have some some guy depo $100, play long enough that he gets excited about the money hes going to get back in rake, tell his friends about it (who then all come and play), and then when he finally loses his $100, he redeposits more?

[Alobar]

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You boot people too fast when they sit out.

I go for a smoke and come back and I'm gone from my 3 tables and can't get back on. Then I go to Party.

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ugh, I [censored] hate people like you. If you are gunna sit out for longer than it takes to take a piss, leave the table. This is the thing I hate most about party, that you can sit out for like 10 minutes and still not be booted.

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Hi Fred,

Good to see you on 2+2. Representatives who post here frequently, generally improve 2+2's collective opinion of their room (Stars, True Poker, Hollywood).

Bit of a technical one this, perhaps you could forward it to developers and let me know if anyone else has the same problem.

When running your software mouse cursor slows down, not the PC, just the cursor. It is also only when your table is in focus. If I click on my web browser or the desktop its fine.

Actually thinking about it it may be a problem with my mouse and drivers (it doesn't ha[[em elsewhere though). I'll try using a different mouse and see if it makes a difference.

Thanks,

Tyler

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Thanks to pankwindu for the solution:

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Try this:

Control Panel > Mouse > Motion > UNCHECK "Disable acceleration in games"

Worked for me. (Logitech trackball.)

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[balkii]

I would like to see on WPX:

Permanent 100% RB - eventually charging rake (Even a small amount) would really blow
More fish - increased marketing
Locally stored HH
4 table maximum
Eliminate the option that tells you your hand strength
Get rid of the thing that makes the cards gray at showdown, i cant use the waffle cards and still see what someone had

Oh and please flip your doom switch to OFF for me, thx

[ewile]

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PRINT UP SOME COOL NO RAKE T-SHIRTS.

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OR HATS!!!!

[WSEX GM]

Here is an updated list through post 168 or so:

Hand histories

HH on hard drives
No HH on hard drives

HH on hard drives not available to players unless you are dealt into a hand

Instant HH window

No data mining

Write hand histories to disk but do not include the opposing player names. Everyone gets the tracking ability for themselves but not the fish finding and HUD capabilities.

Appearance

Mini-view tables (40-70%)

Get rid of cards at bottom
Keep big cards at the bottom
Offer tilt blocker windows for hole cards at bottom

Make cards by seat bigger

Larger font in chat box

Brighter table colors

Function and Control

Better “turn” notification to facilitate multi-tabling

Improve the slider, have it go up in increments (like Stars)

Resizable tables

Add option to hide hold cards after folding

Fix chat so it does not bounce to the bottom when you are reading something higher up

Bigger action buttons (bet/raise/fold)

Add a bet pot button

Allow players to always be in the same chair

More time to make decision when it is your turn

Faster money transfers from poker server to gaming server

Confirmation window asking “Are you sure you want to fold?” when you can check

Ability to upload avatars

Increase software speed and make it smoother

Do not open new table over old table

Increase the time before a player is kicked off the table

When you get kicked off and you have more than the max buy-in, you cannot return to the table with the same stack. This should be standard, to prevent rat holing

No disconnect protection as soon as you can guarantee a stable connection from your side

Automatically selecting the bet size when the table becomes active. This allows you to just type the bet you have in mind, in stead of first having to select the bet-amount (it works like this on party). What also helps a lot is allowing to bet by pressing enter after you typed an amount (like stars does).

A time-bank for tough decisions in higher stakes games would also be a nice feature. When you have to make a decision for thousands of dollars, some extra seconds would be very helpful, but obviously this feature should be limited (i.e.: every player has only a certain time-bank for every single session). Stars has this, party doesn’t.

Search-for-player features, preferably with a buddy list.

More testing with Poker Tracker to improve compatibility

Note feature, the * isn't enough to really tell who you have a note on easily, it would be easier to see if it was an icon

Note feature, when typing a note, if you do an action, it then moves the note behind the table, I would prefer it to work where it keeps the note on top regardless of action until you close it

Allow the player to pick where his seat is shown (ala Full Tilt’s “Put Me Here”)

Color coding of Notes on players is also a great user interface feature.

Remove Tournament advertisement pop-up

Get rid of the 'show hand strength' option

New Games and Abilities

Increase number of tables you can multi-table
Only increase to 4 tables
Increase max per player to 8 tables
Reduce number of tables to 1 or 2

6-Max
NL 6-Max
Do not add 6-Max, 5-Max is fine

Pot limit Omaha

Add a 1-1 room for heads up with all fix limit games (like Paradise)

Change blind structure to encourage looser play. Offer some ante games.

Add more high stakes games

20 or 30 man $20 or $30 dollar tourneys like most all other sites have

Heads up sit-n-go no limit

Always be a free shorthanded and a free full ring table available for players to sit down at regardless of how many tables are open. If a table breaks and goes unused for a set period of time (say 5-10 minutes) it could go *poof* until the total number of tables reaches whatever minimum you have setup right now.

Allow the players to define the types of games that they want to play and track available options as I outlined in this post.

Add Pai Gow poker to the casino

Offer UFC lines

Micro limits

Advertising

Advertise on TV during the WSOP

Attract more casual players

Use crude humor and boobs to attract people that suck at poker

Improve existing print ad layouts

Reduce rakeback to 90% and blow the other 10% on TV ads

No Rake T-shirts

Add affiliates

Other

Correct blind structure when heads up - the current WPEX system discourages HU action and hence tends to break up shorthanded tables prematurely. Some of us have managed to adapt and incorporate this structure into our HU games, but many of our most profitable opposition would prefer not to play heads up in this structure, costing us an opportunity.

One problem that I have noticed on your site, is if someone has a bet out there and you go to make a note on them, after you close the notes window the bet will disappear. Their bet still counts, but I can't see it. So if I were still to act, it could hurt me to not know that this other person called a raise, etc. Thanks, I love the site and hope to see more and more people join up.

Change rakeback to contributed


Funding options

Firepay

Epassport

Service

Improve email response and follow up customer support

[Gregg777]

I don't envy your job.

Good luck with it.