Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

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Additional UK Warships headed to Middle East...

Syria moving military equipment to the Lebanese border...

IDF Tanks enter Northern Gaza Strip...


A bit off topic, but... U.N. Security Council votes unanimously for weapons related sanctions on North Korea... The resolution demands that North Korea "suspend all activities related to its ballistic missile program." It requires all U.N. members to prevent imports to or exports from North Korea of missiles and missile-related items as well as materials and funds that could be used in weapons of mass destruction programs. To avert a veto from China, the resolution does not mention Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, a provision used to make council documents legally binding. But Security Council members said the resolution was nonetheless mandatory because of the way it was worded.

UNITED NATIONS (AP) -- North Korea says it "totally rejects" U.N. resolution imposing limited sanctions over its missile tests. North Korea says it will continue missile launches to bolster self defense.

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[in48092]

bluffthis, i don't suggest they do nothing, however the current attacks are doing nothing to weaken hizballah. if anything the killing of lebanese civilians is pushing moderate lebanese towards hizballah as they are the only ones fighting the "invaders".
The israelis allegedly have the best intel around, and have military means. instead of killing a bunch of civilians, ravaging the tourism based economy, and destroying the airport, maybe they should have tried to take out hizballah leadership.

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maybe they should have tried to take out hizballah leadership.

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Israel has specifically targeted Hezbollah AND Hamas leadership based in Lebanon... taking out their homes, offices and known meeting places... you can expect these types of attacks to continue.

[in48092]

hizballah is smart, they know that the most likely threat to them comes from the air. so nasrallah lost a house, and one of al manars stations got blown up. this amounts to almost nothing. israel should have psuedo lade low, maybe launched a couple of missles like the do every so often at hizballah, and then when they'd gottn a chance, and i believe they would have gotten a chance, taken out Nasrallah. he gives public speaches, get one of them mossad boys we here so much about to tail him out, figure out what car he's in, and merck that sh't.

[jman220]

Iranian Officials Aid Hezbollah ship Attack.

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The one government looking most forward to israel successfully dealing with hezbollah is LEBANON. Get that through your damn heads and you will see what israel is up against. Israel would just as soon see Lebanon deal with their own terrorists, but if they cannot and these terrorists continue to attack israel, there is NOTHING in this world that will stop israel from whiping the middle east free of hezbollah.

If history is any indicator, israel may or may not have started all of the wars in that region, but they damn well have finished them.

Even the nations that have always given israel a hard time have only been able to say that israel's reaction, while justified, has been "disproportionate."

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After firing dozens of rockets into Haifa this morning killing at least 9 Israelis, Hezbollah says it intentionally avoided hitting petrochemical installations in what can only be construed as a humantarian gesture.

The half-life of an armed Hezbollah presence in Southern Lebanon stands at about 72 hours.

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The one government looking most forward to israel successfully dealing with hezbollah is LEBANON. Get that through your damn heads and you will see what israel is up against. Israel would just as soon see Lebanon deal with their own terrorists, but if they cannot and these terrorists continue to attack israel, there is NOTHING in this world that will stop israel from whiping the middle east free of hezbollah.

If history is any indicator, israel may or may not have started all of the wars in that region, but they damn well have finished them.

Even the nations that have always given israel a hard time have only been able to say that israel's reaction, while justified, has been "disproportionate."

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The ironies are tremendous.

Hezbollah was created out of the first occupation of S. Lebanon by Israel.

Hezbollah was effectively controlled by the Syrians when they had a presence in Lebanon. The Syrians do now want to provoke Israel and their forces were a counter foil to the Hezbollah militia.

Syrians were removed from Lebanon under pressure from the west (including us). Leaving a pro-west but very weak govt in Lebanon.

It is almost as if someone wants Hezbollah free to attack Israel and provoke this kind of violence.

[Cyrus]

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Whenever the current situation fail to fit with the theory they brought from home, they have to return to their old demagogic cliches.

[/ QUOTE ]This from the poster who called me after a couple of exchanges a "supporter of Hezbollah and bin Laden". I wonder what "they" means this time.

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Who, exactly, are these mysterious "we".

[/ QUOTE ]The rest of the world. Those not gullible enough for the kind of argument that tries to pass off black as white and day as night. You want us to accept that Israel is the weak party in this conflict? That it has been the victim of aggression throughout its history? That is has not engaged in extreme acts of terrorism itself? Go on, give it your best shot. See how we gobble it up...

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What is the point of your own personal interest in the region? I seriously ask. By your own admission, you do not care about the details of the current situation, nor its strategic meaning (You showed no knowledge of recent events and your "arguments" included Begin and Gaza).

[/ QUOTE ]You are truly a piece of work. With only a couple of posts up in this Forum, you presume to know my position (and probably others') on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict -- and, moreover, the extent of our historical knowledge.

Who told you that I don't care abt "the details of the current situation"? I objected to your persistent efforts to discuss only the current situation. (In the form you dictated, as well, i.e. we are only supposed to be answering your questions!)

And why are you so interested abt my "personal interest"? Am I putting across too many "embarrassing" points? Am I spoiling things too much for you and the act of the otherwise moderate, peace-supporting Israeli who, of course, now fully supports the current (latest) act of state gangsterism perpetrated by your folks? Sorry about that.

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Do you ever feel the need to re-think, maybe, just maybe, it's not that the entire world is wrong, but maybe there is life outside Chomsky and your top 3 favourite Post-Zionist authors?

[/ QUOTE ] "The entire world"?? That would be the American media, the chest-thumbing politicos at the mercy of AIPAC and the gullible portions of the American public, right?

As to "post-Zionist authors", that's a clanger, baby. You must be referring to the revisionist Jewish scholars, the people who are actually upholding what remains of Jewish moral standing. People such as Avi Shlaim, Norman G. Finkelstein, Michael A Hoffman, Moshe Lieberman, Tom Segev, Jonathan Shaininm, Richard Ben-Cramer, and numerous others.

I'm sorry for you if you think the world ends where their work begins.

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I did not know you have to bring your own unbased theories to each thread.

[/ QUOTE ]"Unbased", huh? Try refuting any of the "theories" (FYI, a wrong choice of term). I submit, for instance, that Israel has almost always been the aggressor in the wars it has waged against its neighbours; that Israel is the only country in the world which for decades has never officially declared where its frontiers end; that Israel has killed far more Palestinian women and children than the suicide bombers --and al the Palestinian terrorists-- altogether. Care to refute any of those -- before we discuss over some tea or Haifa orange juice "current events"?..

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Some class D sarcasm from [United States, ]the country that gave you Chandler Bing. But while I might slip a spelling mistake or five (obviously, this isn't my native language), you are extremely outmatched here rethorically.

[/ QUOTE ] Shouldn't you try first to gauge a little more about the other person before engaging in argument-annulling personal insults? Seriously, if you only knew how utterly hilarious that was, you'd be embarrassed.

But my guess is you don't embarrass easily.