ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

[Adam22]

GAY AVATAR MAN

[shaniac]

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So I let N assume as he pleases, as security issue on stars are STARS RESPONSEBILITY and not N's or any of us

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So why are there programs on TV where the police asks for information about criminals?
Why does any software asks you to report any bug or improvement?
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It's called society.

I am not going to explain to you why your ststement is makes no sense. I am convinced you wouldn't understand.

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This is so wrong. N 82 is under no obligation--moral, practical or otherwise--to inform Pokerstars of anything.

I sure hope that Stars has someone on its team just as smart and capable of detecting possible glitches in the system as N 82 is. If they don't, it really doesn't matter anyway , since no amount of N 82s will be able to keep Pokerstars management abreast of the technological advances that threatens the site's security.

The glitches in Stars's software are absolutely in no way N 82's responsibility to report or fix.

[N 82 50 24]

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The poker sites can't stop this. There is nothing they can do that can't be gotten around. You can make it difficult but that is about it. Anyone determined to enter multiple times could do so through a variety of means.

The only possible solution I can see to preventing this is writing software which would build relationships between players on significant pots. However building software to link and analyze that amount of data would be pretty freaking amazing code. Something analogous to Google's search technology. Even if you could write something, it would only be able to detect gross violations that happend a lot. From a cost/benefit perspective, the Poker sites have no reason to develop such software. People will still play without it.

Like you said before, this is part of the rake for online poker.

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For the most part, I agree.

However, I don't think any code based on hand play could detect most MTT multi-accounting because clear examples just wouldn't happen often enough between accounts unless someone is specifically looking to collude (like I've said, I don't think that is the primary intention of or benefit to multi-accounters).

The code would need to look at IP addresses, machine-specific ID numbers and transfer histories to get most of that information. Of course, if someone is good enough and they do not collude with themselves, it's absolutely impossible to catch. A smart cheater would take this line.

What I was referring to in previous posts is the ability to log on from the same computer to the same site, like the formerly effective Party hack.

[BluffTHIS!]

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This is so wrong. N 82 is under no obligation--moral, practical or otherwise--to inform Pokerstars of anything.

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More pathetic excuses shaniac about how you or no one else is obligated to others to try to protect them from cheating when you easily could. Just because you choose to be friends with and protect the identities of uncaught cheaters who will be stealing from posters of 2+2 tomorrow and day after, don't try say others shouldn't stand up and be men and help where they can where you won't.

[Jeremy517]

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I don't even have a stars account but am guessing what N decribes is simply copying and renaming the stars client executable. The client probably checks the list of running processes and sees if it already exists. Full disclosure is definitely the way to go here as stars has little incentive to fix it without publicity.

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The obvious goal is to find a way to get around the inability to run multiple instances concurrently. There are multiple ways to do it, all of which should be obvious to Stars. The issue is how to block these attempts... and I don't know how to do that or if it's even possible.

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I misread the earlier conversation. What I mentioned earlier is actually a way to prevent multiple instances from running, not to allow it. It is most assuredly possible to block mulitple instances from running. If anyone from Stars and/or El Diablo wants info, they can PM/email me.

[BluffTHIS!]

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The glitches in Stars's software are absolutely in no way N 82's responsibility to report or fix.

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Are you speaking out here on this because your cheater buddies don't want their gravy train to come to and end which might be more likely to happen if N82 did report such stuff?

[shaniac]

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This is so wrong. N 82 is under no obligation--moral, practical or otherwise--to inform Pokerstars of anything.

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More pathetic excuses shaniac about how you or no one else is obligated to others to try to protect them from cheating when you easily could. Just because you choose to be friends with and protect the identities of uncaught cheaters who will be stealing from posters of 2+2 tomorrow and day after, don't try say others shouldn't stand up and be men and help where they can where you won't.

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Sir, you can share your moralistic, nearly-fascistic opinions with the people in your church group from now on, because I've fully established that you are an annoying jerk with no potential to acheive an open mind on anything and that trying to explain anything to you would be a waste of time.

If you still have to ask, you will never know, and I wish you the best of luck as you travel the high road of life. I predict a lonely existence for you, but that's another story: I am done justifying any aspect of my personality to you.

[jb9]

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The poker sites can't stop this.

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They could discourage it somewhat more effectively if they announced that everyone who wins a significant tournament prize (10,000+?) would have their account activity in this and other tournaments reviewed before the prize would be released.

A certain percentage of people would be unconcerned, confident that their technique would not get caught (some of them would be wrong). But it would discourage the practice somewhat.

It seems the perception that the poker sites won't catch people has contributed to this problem, and they need to do more than just investigate players against whom a complaint has been made.

[William]

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So I let N assume as he pleases, as security issue on stars are STARS RESPONSEBILITY and not N's or any of us

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So why are there programs on TV where the police asks for information about criminals?
Why does any software asks you to report any bug or improvement?
Etc... etc...
It's called society.

I am not going to explain to you why your ststement is makes no sense. I am convinced you wouldn't understand.

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This is so wrong. N 82 is under no obligation--moral, practical or otherwise--to inform Pokerstars of anything.

I sure hope that Stars has someone on its team just as smart and capable of detecting possible glitches in the system as N 82 is. If they don't, it really doesn't matter anyway , since no amount of N 82s will be able to keep Pokerstars management abreast of the technological advances that threatens the site's security.

The glitches in Stars's software are absolutely in no way N 82's responsibility to report or fix.

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I assume that when someone doesn't want to understand, no amount of logic will change that.
Of course nobody is obliged to do anything at all, but it is in everybody's interest to help as much as we can (unless one is a cheater, keeping the option of becoming one open or just totally plain selfish and dumb).

Of course cheaters will always find new methods to cheat, but if we help sites to counter the known methods, we force cheaters to come up with more and more sophisticated methods, thus making it hard for them.

I have to say that more and more often, when I read some of this posts, I can't stop wondering....

[jaydub]

Jeremy,

It is provably impossible to prevent multiple instances from running.

Shaniac,

You continue to impress with your high moral standards.

J