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[citanul]

you know what, [censored] it, i am going to 1) lock this thread, and 2) pm the necessary people to talk about it. anyone having a problem with this, just pm me.

when i send the pm, it will not be showing my bias, i will ask what is necessary and if it can be done, and that large number of people want it. z and jman can then go have a circle jerk while surrounded by 20000 109s players who have no poker skill at all, but play mechanically and win, believing they are ballers.

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[Irieguy]

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Irie, your post is WAAAAY off. Both the NL and LHE forums have formed groups like the STT group you are discussing. I would venture to say that the LHE groups are far closer than the STT groups.


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I was referencing the fact that the very low and "very high" limit players not only know each other, but often play at similar limits. There are $11 players on this forum who will be 8-tabling the $215's in six months. There aren't many $0.50/$1.00 NL players who will be 4-tabling 10/20 6-max NL in 6 months. Nor could they even talk about what they each play on a similar level. They are different sports, so to speak.

Low stakes and high-stakes SNGs are clearly different, but not anywhere close to the same degree that low and high limit ring games differ. Don't you think?

Irieguy

[ZeeJustin]

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so this sunday night i'm at aureole, and it's just the three of us. and the three of us are at worst, all amongst the best 10 215+ players in the world. and we have a great time. and we laugh about the way the games have changed and we laugh about the bad players and the good players and hte bad players people though were good. and we laughed about 17 year olds with 100k bankrolls. and we laughed about donkish [censored] that bernard61 does all the time. and in general we had a good time. the three of us though, we basically never bemoaned the lack of a high stakes forum.

i don't really know what that has to do with anything, but here, check this one out:

say you posted a $530s hand, right? and it starts dropping off the front page. it's dropping off the front page because not even you thought it was interesting enough to make another post on it. same thing as jman.

i continue to ask: do you really think that 11s players wouldn't want to come and comment on your hands about the 530s? you'd still have to read some noob saying "push preflop" even though you were in your elite forum or whatnot.

you and jman clearly IM each other about hands. the fact that myself and several other top players i know have never seen a hand from either of you (jman i guess sent me some hands a few months ago) implies to me that your desire to have input from anyone else is low. also, given that the forum is at all time volume highs as it is, given that really, things are going pretty ok in general, makes me think that this is all silly.

meh.

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If you want to say I suck at SNGs come out and say it. I frankly would prefer that direct route than the route you seem to be taking. Before you started posting in this thread, everyone was being kind and respectful of each other. The second you came in you threw this right out the window. You're a mod. Show some class.

You think the forum doesn't need to be split because the volume is high. The high volume is reason to split the forum. Everything is too cluttered and as I've said before I will not post here if I have to wade through all that clutter to get to the good stuff.

I obviously would like to discuss high stakes SNG hands on 2+2. If I didn't, why would I bring this topic up and dedicate so much time to defending my point of view? I have even promised to share entire HH summarries. Are you calling me a liar? Do you not believe that I will do this or that I care? What would be my motivation to waste all this time then?

[Velocity]

COMING SOON TO ZEEJUSTIN.COM, POKER FORUMS!!!

[citanul]

you know what, i'm gonna leave this unlocked, though i have pmed Mat to ask him what would be necessary to add a new forum.

Z, I never at any point implied that I thought you sucked at all. If you think I did then I am sorry, that was not the intention.

Z, I am being pretty civil, though I don't know why you have me like, blocked or whatever on IM, that's not so cool.

Z, I urge you to consider Irie's arguments, both social AND on the speed with which one moves up stakes in these games meaning that splitting the forums would be a little weird as it would be like "hey, i've been playing for a couple months, time to be a baller!

Z, You haven't posted a hand in this forum for like 8 months, right? Personally I find it easier to believe that Jman has true interest in this forum than you.

I think you're a good guy, a very good player, and that it's unlikely you, jman, gigabet, myself, newt, gramps, rojosox, strassa, castleman, etc, will as a group, care, or post enough to make you entertained. while i think you will find yourself entirely depressed with the number of "push preflop?" questions from 109s players.

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[hoyasnaxa]

Be easy man. Dont get so worked up over this.

edit: sorry, I just dont think saying all people that play 109s are mindless robots is productive. im not trying to make you mad.

[citanul]

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Be easy man. Dont get so worked up over this.

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we haven't met, so i'll be easy on you about this.

apparently the only thing i ever get worked about about is people who call utg+1 the hijack, in 6 handed games. beyond that, nothing.

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[curtains]

The term "hijack" in regards to CO+1 is soannoying.

[ZeeJustin]

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Z, I am being pretty civil, though I don't know why you have me like, blocked or whatever on IM, that's not so cool.

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I have it set so that only people on my buddy list can IM me. PM me your SN and I'll add you.

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Z, I urge you to consider Irie's arguments, both social AND on the speed with which one moves up stakes in these games meaning that splitting the forums would be a little weird as it would be like "hey, i've been playing for a couple months, time to be a baller!

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This is just proving my point. You are implying that $11 players have only been playing for a couple of months at most, yet you believe they should still be giving me feedback on $500 hands.

My guess is your response to this will be "they will still respond in the new forum", but that hasn't been the case in the other high stakes forums, at least not to the point where it's a problem.

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Z, You haven't posted a hand in this forum for like 8 months, right? Personally I find it easier to believe that Jman has true interest in this forum than you.

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You're right. I have very little interest in this forum in it's current state. It's a clusterfuck and I refuse to post here regularly until that is fixed. If it were cleaned up, I would post here quite often.

[Jman28]

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Z, You haven't posted a hand in this forum for like 8 months, right? Personally I find it easier to believe that Jman has true interest in this forum than you.

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I do have an interest in the forum, but I think ZJ does too. He has been posting in High Stakes NL, and has continued to primarily play high stakes SNGs. I believe him when he says that he doesn't post the SNG hands because of the way this forum is (or something to that effect) while he does post the NL hands, because that forum is 'better'.

I don't feel strongly enough about the idea to keep reading/responding to this monster thread, but I just want to say that I believe ZJ really does care. It doesn't make sense for him to do this otherwise.

I think people would learn more if the forum were split, with all of the strong discussion that will follow. Personally, I can say that I would likely post more. But whatever. I understand the other side of the argument.