What would you do about Virginia Tech?

[colonel81]

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banning guns is not the answer. i do not own a gun however i feel banning guns hurts the innocent who uses them properly. if guns were banned and this shooter wanted to get a gun he would still be able to. someone made a comparison similar to drugs how they are illegal but still available. the only thing i would be in favor of is harsher punishments for carrying them illegally and stricter laws similar to the brady bill making them more diffucult to obtain. it wont eliminate the problem but over the course of many years it could lower the number of illegal guns. who knows how many of these incidents have been prevented that went unannounced and hopefully more can be with modifications to the current laws dealing with obtaining guns

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You may not have realised it, but you have argued to the conclusion that banning all guns is good if you carry your argument further to its conclusion.

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i do think that banning them will decrease incidents like these however it wont prevent them. i also feel it unjustly punishes the innocent who have proper intentions for carrying one

[renodoc]

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Yeah, ive often wondered if i bought a baseball bat for the pure purpose of home defense it would be a problem?

I mean, ive no intention of ever playing baseball.

Fwiw, i have a lock on my bedroom door, thatll do me instead of a weapon of anykind. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

Even if it were legal, i know i wouldnt own a gun.

End mini hijack.

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Its totally cool british dude.

I have a Benelli loaded with a #8 trapload first, followed by 3 shells of 00 buckshot, followed by a rifled slug. I bought it when I got my house and I got it for the express purpose of blowing away any person who thinks they can come in and try to do harm to my wife or family. I got this gun to kill them dead. Not for sport, not for hunting.

This is the difference between you and me british dude. [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

[renodoc]

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At least from what Bowling for Columbine said

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great source. keep em coming.

[BCPVP]

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Gun bill gets shot down by panel
HB 1572, which would have allowed handguns on college campuses, died in subcommittee.

By Greg Esposito
Tuesday, January 31, 2006

A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly.

House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws.

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Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus.

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wonder how safe Mr. Hincker feels today...

imho, carry a concealed weapon gives me an increased chance of surviving/helping with a situation such as the shootings that occurred today (or something like it, say at a mall, movie theater, restaurant, office building, etc). my ability to protect myself and my family is increased by carrying a weapon and having the training to use it. why people want to take that away from me, i have no idea, but i will do what i can to fight against those that try.

those that put forward "ban all guns" are, imo again, fools given the structure / history of our nation and the environment we live in. those fools, when successful, actually *decrease* my safety, not increase it. bless their hearts, they think they are doing good / have my best interest at heart, but they are wrong.

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Yeah. Guns are more a culture thing in America than over here. At least from what Bowling for Columbine said (stats back up murder, gun and population as being way worse in America than any other western nation).

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LOL @ getting your info from Bowling for Columbine.

[[Phill]]

Renodoc,

I probably should have gone to the extent of saying i live in a pretty secure block of flats, which has a security guard at all times and im basically at one of the furthest points.

Ive lived alone, and ive lived with strangers whilst not having any kind of protection or anything. Maybe im (too) trusting, but thats just me.

If i had family, then yeah id prolly feel differently.

Fwiw, im not against weapons like that in the home as such. As ive elluded to i wouldnt think twice about killing someone if it really came to it (him or me kinda situation).

I just wouldnt feel good living in a home where there was a gun though. Statistics dont lie, you are more likely to shoot a member of your family than a genuine intruder. (speaking in the general 'you', you specifically i have no idea)

Id rather buy a German Shepherd or two tbh. As loving as your shotty might be, i think an Alsation would be more loving [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[renodoc]

oh, the kitchen where my benelli lives has a peak of lake tahoe and is a very safe neighborhood.

its just that i would rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Plus, if the brits every come back to try to claim their lost colonies, i will be able to join the militia with my trusty benelli.

[Metric]

I happen to think that the ability for me as an individual to oppose violence against myself with equal or greater force is indeed "worthwhile" and "necessary." And even if it weren't worthwhile or necessary, it doesn't change the fact that "saving just one life" sucks as an argument to justify whatever ridiculous measures you feel like enacting on hundreds of millions of other people. Basically, it's an argument right up there with "will someone PLEASE think of the children!!!"

[Borodog]

Metric,

But what if it would save the life of JUST ONE CHILD???

You can't possibly argue with that.

[bennies]

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In Britain we had the Dunblane massacre.

We banned all handguns, and highly restricted access to all other guns.

We have had no school shootings since.

Gun control works. Sure the bad guys can get guns if they *really* want to. Im sure i can get a handgun here in Manchester in only 4 degrees of seperation at most.

BUT it does limit these types of attacks, it stops husbands getting pissed off and killing their wives, its limits gun crime massively.

Again - banning guns is 100% a good and logical solution

This is NOT the wild west. And things dont happen like in the films you seem to enjoy.

Ban all guns, or accept school shootings as a normal part of life. That is litterally your choice.

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[[Phill]]

Borodog,

If the net effect is saving one person, it is a good thing?

Surely you see the logic in that?

Either way, ive stated my case, it worked here, maybe itd work in America. Prolly wont ever find out. Either way if i moved to America for any serious length of time id buy a can of mase and a taser over a handgun.