Israel's Attack on Lebanon and Hezbollah

[Sniper]

"For the first time since the 1991 Persian Gulf War, the Israel Defense Forces has deployed Patriot missile batteries in Haifa.

The missile defense system cannot destroy Katyusha rockets - hundreds of which have been fired at Israel from Lebanon in recent days - but could protect against surface-to-surface missiles, such as those possessed by Syria, the army said."

[jman220]

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What you say may be true.

Why you reckon they elected Hamas?

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Because Fatah was corrupt and really bad on Palestinian Domestic Policy? I'm not saying Hamas is better, but that seems to be the main reason cited by average palestinians, when interviewed as to how they voted and why. Regardless of the reasons though, they're now stuck with a Government that has defacto declared war on Israel by kidnapping soldiers and firing rockets.

[jman220]

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we're pretty stocked up. Thanks.

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Whenever the current situation fail to fit with the theory they brought from home, they have to return to their old demagogic cliches. Who, exactly, are these mysterious "we".

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Vast parts of the Arab world and Lebanese themselves are blaming Nasrallah for this crisis.

[/ QUOTE ]Do you happen to have any evidence, or even indication, for this outrageous claim?


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It's funny, how quick "we" turn from attack to denial.
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"We" seem to have no need to face reality. Why should "we"? Let's throw some of the ol' "Begin was a terrorist" a few "You are killing the poor palestinians" and a funngy cartoon here and there.

What is the point of your own personal interest in the region? I seriously ask. By your own admission, you do not care about the details of the current situation, nor its strategic meaninig (You showed no knowledge of recent events and your "arguments" included Begin and Gaza). So what is it?

Are you a grown man who actually think a complicated conflict like the Israeli-Palestine can be summarize by "Palestine good, Israel bad"?

Do you ever feel the need to re-think, maybe, just maybe, it's not that the entire world is wrong, but maybe there is life outside Chomsky and your top 3 favorite Post-Zionist authors?

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So, what exactly are you looking for here?

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I was looking to discuss current events. I did not know you have to bring your own unbased theories to each threads and ignore anything that has any relevance to the subject in hand and/or ignore anything that the person i'm responding to said.

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it remains is a little bloody mopping up of the towel-head undesirables, into some adjacent area, like Jordan. Hell, if they wanna stay put behind the Wall, inside their li'l Bantustans, let 'em; they're animals anyway, right?

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I'm sure this is the way you think you are winning arguments. Some class D sarcasm from the country that gave you Chandler Bing. But while I might slip a spelling mistake or five (obviously, this isn't my native language), you are extremely outmatched here rethorically. Your view of cynicism is half a step away from ending sentences with "NOT!!!".
Sentences like the one I quoted are the last refugee of the demagogs. When push come to shove, all arguments gone, resort to vague unrelated generalization. I'm sure you have all the information needed for online debates (you seem to be doing it for a quite a while) in your Junior Chomsky handbook, but at some age, you are just getting too old to still be using it.

Best of luck to you, hopefully the world will catch up to you, eventually. The real -we- have a reality to face.

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I just want to thank you for pointing out the hypocrisy of Cyrus's postings.

[Sniper]

[in48092]

external motives aside, it seems to me that hizballah has chosen to carry out this mission now to try to silence domestic and international critics who are pressuring them to disharm.
israel obviously wants a disarmed hizballah, but they will obviously be much better served if the lebanese do it rather the doing it themselves. to disarm/dismantle hizballah, israel would need to engage in nasty guerrila fighting with hizballah, and it would be quite costly to israel. obviously the lebanese governemnt is not going to disarm hizballah tomorrow, next week or even next year, but it is feasible that in hte next five years they could move towards such an end. however, by killing so many civilians, and doing virtually no damage to hizallah, israel is only making themselves the object of hatred to the lebanese people, not hizballah. i think the sheer number of civilians that israel has killed, many of them children will prove to be counterproductive to israeli interests.
it seems to me that the extent of the response leveled by israel, both in gaza and lebanon has alot to do with domestic politics rather then security. the newly elected government need to show israeli's that they are serious about security, ironically even if that means sacrificing israeli security down the road.

[BluffTHIS!]

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israel obviously wants a disarmed hizballah, but they will obviously be much better served if the lebanese do it rather the doing it themselves

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They've had plenty of time to do so and are either unwilling or unable and it doesn't matter which.

[Sniper]

"Witnesses said IAF planes fired four rockets at the Masnaa crossing point between the last Lebanese post and the first Syrian army position on the Beirut-Damascus road."

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Sniper is the 2+2 reporter. I'm loving these posts sniper, keep up the good work. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[in48092]

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Witnesses said IAF planes fired four rockets at the Masnaa crossing point between the last Lebanese post and the first Syrian army position on the Beirut-Damascus road."

[/ QUOTE ] for what it's worth, i've used this border crossing and if i remember correctly there is roughly 1-2 miles of no man's land between the two posts, so it's not like they fired "near" the syrian post.

Also, Bluffthis, i think there are some problems with your statement about the lebanese army having had lots of time to do this. up until about a year ago there was a substantial syrian army presance in lebanon. the political dynamic is changing in lebanon. The lebanese protested in force in regards to the syrian presance, and there have been results. that's not to say that the lebanese government is anything to brag about, but it is changing. by killing so many civilians israel runs the risk of putting the skids on said changes. the lebanese may not have liked the syrians in their country, and many of them may not like hizballah, but they like israel even less.

[BluffTHIS!]

in48092,

So the Israelis should just be more patient and endure whatever civilian casualties it takes until the Lebanese Army is able to get around to Hezbollah?