ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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"I am very confident that he would not chip dump to his ZeeJustin account in order to win on that one."

Would you have been confident, prior to this news coming out, that ZJ would not have SIX ACCOUNTS to regularly and systematically enter into MTTs?

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Not at all. When I found out about the Party hack, I immediately realized that it would be exploited exactly as Justin and others used it. A similar hack is much more difficult to achieve on PokerStars, so I'd be surprised to find a lot of people doing it there.

[Nick B.]

I call bs on the reason he made new accounts was to be anonymous. His skins accounts were ZeJustin and ZJustin, he really didn't want to be figured out. Also, since when can't we just adjust instead of changing sn. Surely he knows if people are going to start calling you light, you can't push [censored] all the time.

[EliotSpitzer]

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However, there is some merit to the claim that he achieved things on other accounts that might never be known. His ZeeJustin wins earned him all the praise and accolades. I am very confident that he would not chip dump to his ZeeJustin account in order to win on that one. I do acknowlege that it's possible, but I just don't think that he did that. Either way, he accomplished a lot on ZeeJustin in STTs and MTTs -- enough that you could hardly consider chip dumping to have earned him all of that.

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Maybe chip-dumping didn't lead to all his winnings, but he admits that multi-accounting was a "huge advantage."

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First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.

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straight from the horse's ass

I think it's safe to say that without the benefits of multi-accounting he would be an average player.

[perrier]

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It is called Kamikaze accounts. If you are one of the top pros in these events who do you fear the most - other pros. If you can eliminate them, then your EV goes way up. It would be easy for you to beat a tournament full of amateurs.

So what do you do - you wait until one of your kamikaze accounts is seated at a table with a known pro. Then, when the opportunity is there to bust them on a coin flip, you take it. You would normally never risk your only entry on a coin flip at this point but since you have kamikaze accounts, go for it. If it fails, you still have accounts left. But if it succeeds, you have doubled up as well as taking out a main competitor. Then you can use him to take out more pros until finally chip dumping to yourself at the end. Pretty slick and totally immoral in my book."

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wow... the tiny criminal part of my brain hadn't even THOUGHT of that advantage yet... that's GOOD... what an bonus for the cheater. As you wrote earlier in the above post, I won't get to MY post for 20-50 pages, someone might have already quoted this.

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Actually, one person (perrier) commented and said he thought it was the dumbest thing he ever read. It was my opinion and I just wanted to see if anyone else agreed. He was pretty adamant that it was not valid. I am glad someone else thought it had some merit.

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Clarification: The highest ev move with multiple accounts while they are on seperate tables is to play your best tournament game with each of them. This is so intuitively basic. You cannot take -ev shots at the other best players, it is not worth the tournament entry fee to do so and it is giving them chips not taking away chips. I would also point out that multiple accounts shouldn't make it any "easier" to take coinflips. It should already be very easy to take a coinflip even with just one account.

[bobbyi]

BUMP!

[blufish]

The guy crossed that line a day ago. He's a frickin' lunatic.

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Thanks, I was worried about this one slipping off the front page.

[jackdaniels]

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LOL!

[El Diablo]

N82,

What do you make of Party's statement that the accounts were used to play as a team? If this is true, then it is not surprising that it was "ZeeJustin" and not any of his anonymous accounts that ended up winning. Maybe all of this is just a big coincidence, though. That is indeed a possibility.

Anyway, I'm not going to respond on this part of the topic anymore. Maybe cheating helped his results a little, maybe a lot. Doesn't really matter. Really, I'm just saying the same thing as you, just from a different perspective. People need to consider all of the facts here. I think a lot of people are making far too many assumptions of what Justin would or would not do based on the fact that from his posts and/or chatting w/ him a little on IM he seemed to be a relatively good-hearted kid. I think his actions and some of the company he keeps and idolizes show that perhaps people didn't know ZJ as well as they thought they did.

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Maybe chip-dumping didn't lead to all his winnings, but he admits that multi-accounting was a "huge advantage."

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Maybe I'm making a distinction where there isn't one, but isn't the multi-accounting in MTTs a separate issue from the STT issue? One is to increase is hourly rate by applying his edge against weaker tourney fields and one is to avoid people getting a read on him in a tournament where he could have played his known name. I think he said the anonymity was a huge advantage, not playing multiple accounts at once. Like I said, maybe I'm making a distinction where there isn't one.

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I think it's safe to say that without the benefits of multi-accounting he would be an average player.

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That's a very legitimate statement to make. I can't and won't refute it. I've only taken issue with the idea that he won strictly due to having more accounts when I don't believe that to be the case. He wouldn't have won as much money without his additional accounts and that extra money is essentially money taken from the hands of the other players.