Official JUNE uNL **'`MICROBREW THREAD`'** LC/NC this way...

[jonyy6788]

Triggerle, the only solution I have for you is to play more hands (total, not VPIP/PFR). The way to get out of a downswing is grind it out!

[Shizzle12345]

Im on huge monkey tilt now, against a huge fish party folds my queens, cos THIS FKING software is just [censored] up.

[Chomp]

Triggerle - I think when you are running bad it just SEEMS everyone is sensing weakness and playing back at you. But I just don't think this is the case. I just think it appears that way.

I think Kolo's advice is best - try to play exactly the same as you are when running good. Maybe a tweak tighter, but essentially the same.

Also, will pm later about our buddy thing. CTN too.

[Warteen]

I lost about half my bankroll trying to play NL50 on WPX (seriously a bad idea), but the other day I made it all back (and then some, with rakeback) when I took down 7th in the weekly 5k guaranteed (critical number is 200; tourney had 124 entrants) for $175.
Also, I've been playing 1/2 NL live at a local charity-based game and just killing it through shortstacking for extra cash.

[Shizzle12345]

this happened 4 times now the past 40 minutes :/ . Down 10 buyins. I hope its turning now

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $19.92
BB: $49.25
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $53.00</font>
CO: $76.04
BTN: $19.96

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, BTN calls $3.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($11.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $14.46</font>, Hero calls $4.46

<font color="black">River:</font> ($40.67) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $40.67 ($2 Rake)

BTN had 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Twos full of Sevens) and WON (+$18.71)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pairs, Jacks and Sevens) and LOST (-$19.96)

[Shizzle12345]

flush draw was out there, and i called off 2 bluffs from him earlier, but almost folded

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

<font color="black">Hero (SB): $54.25</font>
BB: $62.84
UTG: $40.57
BTN: $27.92

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, BB calls $1.50

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, BB calls $3.00

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($10) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $7.00</font>, BB calls $7.00

<font color="black">River:</font> ($24) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets $14.50</font>, Hero calls $14.50

Pot Size: $53.00 ($2 Rake)

BB had T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and LOST (-$26.50)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (two pairs, Aces and Queens) and WON (+$24.50)

[corsakh]

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this happened 4 times now the past 40 minutes :/ . Down 10 buyins. I hope its turning now

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $19.92
BB: $49.25
<font color="black">Hero (UTG): $53.00</font>
CO: $76.04
BTN: $19.96

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $2.00, 2 folds

<font color="black">Flop:</font> ($4.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>, BTN calls $3.50

<font color="black">Turn:</font> ($11.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $10.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $14.46</font>, Hero calls $4.46

<font color="black">River:</font> ($40.67) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $40.67 ($2 Rake)

BTN had 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a full house, Twos full of Sevens) and WON (+$18.71)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (two pairs, Jacks and Sevens) and LOST (-$19.96)

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Mm.. I think you need to vent a bit. Your steaming.

[Shizzle12345]

I destroyed a couple things, Im calm as ghandi now

Also the fact that i discovered a huge fish 6 tabling kinda made my day. Say goodbye to downswing!

[ama0330]

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I have spent some time with a ssnl player analysing my sessions and came to the following thoughts:

Let's say we have an opponent whose sole strategy is to call your raises pre-flop and raise almost every cbet you make. Such an opponent is not entirely uncommon at the uNL games.

When playing ABC Poker you have a hand on the flop at least somewhat frequently. So you will be able to play back at him then. Depending on how dumb he is, this frequency alonge might make his strategy unprofitable or marginally profitable for him. If you adapt to what he is doing you might also re-bluff him occasionally and turn his strategy into a losing strategy. Since you show down winning hands with a high enough frequency he will always fear the possibility that you have something.

During a downswing usually a combination of the following happens:

- You don't get any cards
- You don't make any hands
- You get coolered/bad beat often

Especially the third usually takes you down buy-in after buy-in. But something else also happens:

Now, even the dumbest aggression strategy is going to work on you because if you only make a hand one in thirty flops your opponent's aggression is automatically profitable for him. Also, the one in thirty times you do make a hand you will likely not get any action because your opponent can afford to not follow through and simply fold. To make things worse, other people at the table will jump on the train and start pounding on you as well.

So not only are you losing big money in hands that you should on average make big money with. You will also get no action on good hands and bleed away money by being bluffed at constantly. This means that if you are a winning player playing ABC Poker you might end up a break-even or even losing player during these downswings even if you subtract the bad beats and coolers and all while still playing ABC Poker.

The question now is how to get out of this? The player analysing my play has suggested that I should keep up the same frequencies that I have when things go normally. That means to go away from playing ABC Poker and start bluffing more frequently. The problem I have with this strategy is that if you never show down a winning hand, the aggressive players don't fear you enough and are more likely to play back at you. This can become quite costly.

Any thoughts?

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Say you have a ds that lasts 5k hands (pretty big one). Of those 5k hands, how many do you think will be played against the same opponents? I think that a lot of what you are saying revolves around "if I don't keep up my frequencies then I won't get action on my good hands, but how can I be aggro when I'm card dead". But at what point does someone say "hmm Trig isn't raising anything and therefore is a nit and therefore I'm not calling any of his raises"? 500 hands? 1k hands?

I think these things are more dependent on the flow of the session rather than whether or not you are running bad. A true LAG is always running bad, if you know what I mean.

Also, you say that "automatically your opponents aggression is profitable for him" but how can this be so if you are cbetting so fewer flops and therefore are more likely to have a hand? Is he adjusting (i.e. not paying you off) or not? Which one is it - is he shutting down against you, or raising you more because he knows is always nothing because you're on a downswing? And if its the latter, how can he possibly know this?

Surely the answer against an opponent such as this is to cbet less when you have nothing and actually have a hand when you do? There are easier ways to maintain an active image than throwing money at aggressive players when you don't have cards. I think you are over-estimating two key things:

1. Your opponents observational capabilities and
2. The aggression frequencies necessary to maintain an active image

It sounds like you want to keep up a static image (i.e. active, bluffy, capable of wide holdings) but you are unwilling to adapt to unfavourable conditions. This is kind of like forcing the issue - if you are running bad then you just have to play less cards - this is a well documented fact. You always hear about top pros being frustrated in the late stages of tournies because they want to exploit or maintain a loose image but they go card dead and are stuck.

[Manchild84]

Crap. Nobody from my Party fishlist is 6 tabling right now. Im out the loop.