*official 2007 red sox thread*

[34TheTruth34]

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i'm not crazy about giving up hansen in the dye deal, i think he's going to end up not sucking at some point, but this gives them a shot i guess.

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This is the luxury of a well stocked farm system. You can afford to give up on an underachieving prospect like Hansen and use him as a chip to fill a need.

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it's more a product of having unlimited resources.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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i'm not crazy about giving up hansen in the dye deal, i think he's going to end up not sucking at some point, but this gives them a shot i guess.

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This is the luxury of a well stocked farm system. You can afford to give up on an underachieving prospect like Hansen and use him as a chip to fill a need.

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it's more a product of having unlimited resources.

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it's more a product of having a business savvy ownership group, a scouting department doing a good job at the prospect level, a GM running the MLB team competently, and having a home city filled with wealthy people who love baseball.

the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

[Toro]

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i'm not crazy about giving up hansen in the dye deal, i think he's going to end up not sucking at some point, but this gives them a shot i guess.

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This is the luxury of a well stocked farm system. You can afford to give up on an underachieving prospect like Hansen and use him as a chip to fill a need.

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it's more a product of having unlimited resources.

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If by unlimited resources you mean just a big budget, I don't agree. At this time of year, small market teams are looking for prospects. Occasionally, you can pick up an overpriced veteran in a salary dump but mostly you need prospects to make a lot of these deals.

[34TheTruth34]

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the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

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C'mon, who are you kidding? The owners may not actually have more money than other teams, but they can spend unlimited amounts of money. So, obviously a mistake made by them or the Yankees is much less costly than one made by the Pirates or Royals.

[kyleb]

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the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

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you sound like an idiotic red sox fan. you aren't one. stop it.

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the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

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you sound like an idiotic red sox fan. you aren't one. stop it.

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well, it depends how you define "resources". if you mean "cash on hand today", then yeah the Red Sox are rich. if expand it into a more macro "natural resources" definition, which would include market size, then the Red Sox don't appear as 'lucky to be rich' as some might think. they've done very well with the region they have to work with.

the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Phillies, Cubs, and White Sox really should be able to spend about as much as the Red Sox.

[34TheTruth34]

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the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

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you sound like an idiotic red sox fan. you aren't one. stop it.

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well, it depends how you define "resources". if you mean "cash on hand today", then yeah the Red Sox are rich. if expand it into a more macro "natural resources" definition, which would include market size, then the Red Sox don't appear as 'lucky to be rich' as some might think. they've done very well with the region they have to work with.

the Mets, Yankees, Dodgers, Angels, Phillies, Cubs, and White Sox really should be able to spend about as much as the Red Sox.

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This isn't the time or place for another long, boring discussion about the inequities of baseball economics between big and small market teams, teams with and without cable deals, luxury tax, revenue sharing, etc.

Let's just agree to say that the Sox are more fortunate than most other teams and, therefore, can make a mistake with less consequences than, say, the Pirates and it's not necessarily only because they're better developers of minor league talent or because they have a city full of people who "are rich and love baseball".

(which, btw, isn't to say that I disagree with the reasons you listed about why the Sox have been successful)

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the Red Sox have no more resources than a number of other teams.

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you sound like an idiotic red sox fan. you aren't one. stop it.

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There's really not much difference among the "top tier" teams' ability to spend - that tier is deeper than just the Yankees and Sox. The Dodgers, Cubs and Mets (for example) have no excuses, since each fills the stadium - effectively, in-season spending shouldn't be an issue for the top 5-10 payroll teams.

Especially once we consider the marginal income from a playoff berth (Lucchino says it was $25mm/yr, which Nate Silver agreed with in his own research) - there's profit to be made.

The Red Sox def have resources above and beyond other teams, though - a rabid fanbase, ownership that maximizes revenue streams, blah blah chow meow. The old "even the Sox can't outspend the Yankees!" cliche is clearly false.

I love the Gagne trade for just that reason - the $2.1mm is a pittance compared to income based simply on making the playoffs, and an increased chance to win the WS should make up for it every time.

The upgrade, btw, is not from MDC to Gagne - it's from whoever loses innings at the back end to Gagne, which depending on injuries could be Snyder, Donnelly or Timlin (yeah yeah, adjusted for leverage etc). Pretty good move, at a really low cost.

[34TheTruth34]

again, I don't really wanna go down the baseball economics road. But, I did read somewhere that George Steinbrenner would be able to spend as much as 275-300 million on payroll and STILL would make a profit for the year. Obviously, there's no other teams in baseball that can do that. Therefore, they can overspend on expensive FA bums, trade away tons of prospects and still not be all that damaged if it doesn't work out. The Pirates owner can't do that, even if he happens to have more money than George.

[kidcolin]

I thought NY has been in the red the past couple of years? Or if not last season, one of the recent years.