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Old 08-13-2007, 09:45 PM
El_Hombre_Grande El_Hombre_Grande is offline
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Default Re: I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

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To all the people who decided to deride the OP in this thread I say this.. How would you like it if you ran that bad, posted a genuine question and were met by such negative responses?

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i wouldn't post that genuine question 'cause i'm not a muppet.

I generally avoid believing things when i hve no reason to believe them. I'm part of a group of people on this board who are intelligent, think critically, are self-aware, self-analyse our games, use logic, and deductive reasoning. Unusually for a community, we call this the "majority" here.

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Oh don't tell me, you never ran that bad. Must be nice to be perfect.

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I'm sure I've run bad. I don't particularly care, 'cause it's like complaining that you flipped a coin and got heads 3 times in a row. No one cares, no one can do anything about it, and you're not going to change anything in the world by complaining.

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5% e penis boast category

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Op claims to have been dealt hands he couldn't have been dealt and run bad for a period of time that couldn't be simply "running bad." He is, it appears, delusional with respect to this limited issue.

So I ask you: who is actually helping OP? Those that are confronting him with facts, or those that are saying sorry buddy sucks to run bad for a half million hands.........

I for one would rather someone inform me if i was hallucinating, rather than just smiling and playing along.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:51 PM
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Default Re: I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

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gee what happened to the stats you aces at poker stars were so keen to show up the OP with?

Did you discover anomalies which can't be explained? phenomena which can't be comprehended? aberrations there's no accounting for? deviations that defy understanding?

You seemed so eager to set the record straight, I'm just wondering why it hasn't happened?

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This post ^^^ isnt valid until this time tomorrow night. Even then i don think its fair to the "aces at poker stars" as you put it, its not like they live to post here at 2+2! I am sure they have better things to do besides satisfying your curiosity on something that really just doesnt MATTER... oh and this surely isnt the first such analysis that has been done on Stars HHs, i am not with Stars but i am SURE they have performed such analysis on a MUCH wider sample than this little 500k on one person. Not to mention the third party folks they pay to do so. So i'm pretty sure we wont be seeing any "phenomena which can't be comprehended".

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Nevermind. Inadmissable, chain of custody.

[/ QUOTE ] were you trying to say that we shouldn't believe what sciolist posts because of the data's "chain of custody"?

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If the site were rigged it would be simple for them to cook the books and then pawn it off to a poker tracker bug when he posts his real stats. not saying they'd do that just that they could.

have you ever lost set over set five times (four on flops) in one day or flush over flush five times in a row? I have. Guess where ..
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

I have said many times my screename is Suitedkings1


Yes i do play 6-10tables of 5-10 to 10-20 six max and full ring

I also play 1-2 six max and full ring 12 table

Boc4life, Sethypoo, mediocre players at best and they want to judge my play. Boc4life is one of the morons who check raises with 3 outs and usually hits. Sethypoo raises the button 95% of the time wen its folded to him,he is usually met with a 3 bet from me, he then proceeds to flop 2 pair wen i flop top pair, end result sethy takes down my KQ with Q7 off.

This is the reason very medicore players like them have come to believe that they are good players.

Another example is chezlaw, who I believe is better than the previous 2 players listed above. But if this man calls a raise from bb and its hu he check raises 100% of the time. I called him out on this and he wont do it against me anymore. But that strategy was working for him, everytime hedid that play he ended up sucking out.

So it is my belief that the players who have been playing for a long time online have figured out certain things that always work, IE check raising from bb or rasing the button with any hand, or 3 betting any button raise. I mean this in the litteral way because these guys dont look at their hands wen they make these plays, I see them do it with all ranges of hands.


I know the game of poker extremely well, and moves like that should not work at the percentage that they do online. if sethypoo and boc4life are thought to be good players than this site is a joke.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:04 PM
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Still eagerly awaiting the promised video(s)...
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:22 PM
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OP - I have every confidence that sethypooh, chezlaw and boc4life would be VERY interested in playing you in a live game or at any other online site.

Instead of criticizing them and being all bitter at the hands where they beat you perhaps you should consider that there is some reasoning to why they play that way and perhaps they are a step or three ahead of you as far as poker-skill or theory goes.

You think you're really really good. But consider the POSSIBLITY that these guys are simply better.

Have you read Stox's Winning in High Stakes and Shorthanded holdem by chance? Somehow I doubt that you have.

Post a HH or two that you played against them if you like.
Post your own logic for how you played each street if you like.
The reasoning behind some of their plays and the flaws in your own game will be a somewhat interesting topic of discussion I think.

I'm not saying their games are perfect. They are not egotistical enough to think that their games are that strong either.

Yeah, they are making fun of you a little bit too of course. But their comments and advice on your game and table-selection are clearly genuine.

boc4life doesn't just run around telling random people that they are outclassed for such-and-such game. He is being perfectly honest about it when he says this and sethy and chez appear to agree.
Think about it.
They really discovered some amazing way to 'beat the system' and play in a way that only wins on Stars?
Or you are being a bit less than open-minded about your own poker-abilities and about ways of playing that you can't, at first, seem to grasp.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:25 PM
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have you ever lost set over set five times (four on flops) in one day? I have. Guess where ..

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At the WSOP?

Were you the pro grinder I spoke with who was eliminated from four out of five satellites by set over set?
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:29 PM
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Instead of criticizing them and being all bitter at the hands where they beat you perhaps you should consider that there is some reasoning to why they play that way and perhaps they are a step or three ahead of you as far as poker-skill or theory goes


Did you not read...


Boc4life, Sethypoo, mediocre players at best and they want to judge my play. Boc4life is one of the morons who check raises with 3 outs and usually hits. Sethypoo raises the button 95% of the time wen its folded to him,he is usually met with a 3 bet from me, he then proceeds to flop 2 pair wen i flop top pair, end result sethy takes down my KQ with Q7 off.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:32 PM
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boc4life is a pretty good player I believe.
sethypooh almost certainly does NOT raise the button 95%. I can pretty much guarantee that.

Sorry your KQ somehow didn't holdup against Q7. Must be rigged.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:35 PM
jman220 jman220 is offline
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He called your bluff guys. Post his damn stats!!

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It's not a bluff. It takes a while to request 500k hands, didn't get them til overnight and couldn't import til I got home. Split the (650mb) file into smaller ones, importing to PT now.

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Nevermind. Inadmissable, chain of custody.

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Chain of custody goes to the weight and not the admissibility. Guess you didn't get that far in your crim law 101 class.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:01 PM
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Boc4life, Sethypoo, mediocre players at best and they want to judge my play. Boc4life is one of the morons who check raises with 3 outs and usually hits. Sethypoo raises the button 95% of the time wen its folded to him,he is usually met with a 3 bet from me, he then proceeds to flop 2 pair wen i flop top pair, end result sethy takes down my KQ with Q7 off.

This is the reason very medicore players like them have come to believe that they are good players.

Another example is chezlaw, who I believe is better than the previous 2 players listed above. But if this man calls a raise from bb and its hu he check raises 100% of the time. I called him out on this and he wont do it against me anymore. But that strategy was working for him, everytime hedid that play he ended up sucking out.


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Thanks pro, having a tough night and I needed a good laugh.
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