Obvious Collusion at *edited* (Long -Cliff Notes at bottom)

[PokerBob]

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what areyou talking about bob? Gennady and billy have been a tag team for quite some time now.

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OH... redemption might be on the way. Are Gennady and Billy the shaved head guy and the talk darker dude that I was playing against yesterday?

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um, he is being sarcastic.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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I saw some collusion at Caesar's IN but the floor thought I was mistaken. The next week they busted two guys for colluding in that game but I wasn't there at the time so I don't know if it was the same guys.

I believe collusion happens from time to time but I don't worry about it because anybody bad enough at cheating for me to catch is going to get busted really soon anyway.

If OP believed the game wasn't straight, he should leave immediately and tell the floor. The floor can watch, after all it is their job.

I can't believe how long this thread has gotten and I can't believe I read the whole thing.

I wasn't there and the evidence is inconclusive but I have to wonder, if the game is rigged, why did the OP continue to play?

If the OP had left the game immediately, notified the floor, etc. I would be more inclined to believe collusion had occurred. Continuing to play, busting out and then making a post about collusion raises reasonable doubt.

Not to derail the thread, but if any of you suspect collusion in your game, stop playing immediately and go tell the floor. Do not continue to play. Switch games, go home or whatever but do not stay in that game.

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OK... so here was my thought pattern.

I'm in town to visit family and didn't want to make a scene where I was the obvious out-of-towner playing with total yocals.

By the time I realized what was going on I was stuck about $800 and was getting moved to the main game.

I figured at the main game the colluding techniques would not be as useful as they had just been playing short handed. Furthermore, prior to seeing them take a dinner break together to go strategize I thought maybe it was just my imagination / a coincidence that they were playing the way they did... but it turns out is wasn't.

Furthermore, the 30-60 game is the biggest game in MN and I figured it was the only place to make some cash.

I WAS on my way out the door to hit up Wells Fargo and grab a couple grand so that I could play right in that game.

HOWEVER, on my way out the door the heavier set female floorman approached me to discuss my discontent. Ironically I had tipped her the day before for running such a great poker room... and I had complimented her on her dealers.

She overheard my brother and my buddy complaining about that game and approached us to talk about it. I told her that I felt there was some short handed collusion going on at the 30-60... and I said that I wish she would have changed the game to a 15-30 game in order to fill the table (myself and the other players at the must move had asked if this could be done so that we could stop playing short handed, and then just stay on the board for the 30-60, but we were denied even though they had 16 names on the 15-30 board).

Her answer was unacceptable and rude... and I didn't come back.

[PokerBob]

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man someone needs to link those threads from back in the day when cbury forbid schnieds, bk, and nlsoldier and some others from playing together.

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Info please? What's the deal with this? Was I on to something that has been brought up before?

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yes. that situation is very similar to the situation that you have brought up. a moron who couldn't beat the game accused two guys who are friends of colluding.

anyone who knows anything understands that these two play each other HARD. if i recall correctly, the management at canterbary even conceded that there was no collusion, but they still must protect against even the APPEARANCE of collusion. basically, retards who can't win and don't understand why get to say "they cheated".

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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PokerBob repeatidly said that the two guys that were getting out of line are just Laggy... I never knew that the characteristics of laggy play was 5 bet preflop... then check fold the flop.

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Idiots do stupid things. Thats what makes the game good. Colluders tend to see the river together and split the money in the parking lot, they are generally hesitant to make it obvious on the table.

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That's NOT true at all. I think you are a little off on what you know about the colluding world.

Colluders specifically try NOT to see the river together. They NEVER want to give another player in the hand 2-1 odds to draw out against their best hand.

Furthermore, if they see the river together and someone like myself asks to see both cards... the jig is up if the whole table sees that one of the colluders was jamming it all the way with 2-7 off and/or no pair no draw.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

You know what this kind of reminds me of...

It reminds me of that situation with The $64,000 Question.

Very level headed intelligent people were willing to argue to the death that there was NO way the game was rigged and/or that there was cheating going on.

Guess what... there was.

I'm just saying... you guys might want to keep an eye out and not write me off as a complete retard.

[Bicycles_Biatch]

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man someone needs to link those threads from back in the day when cbury forbid schnieds, bk, and nlsoldier and some others from playing together.

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Info please? What's the deal with this? Was I on to something that has been brought up before?

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yes. that situation is very similar to the situation that you have brought up. a moron who couldn't beat the game accused two guys who are friends of colluding.

anyone who knows anything understands that these two play each other HARD . if i recall correctly, the management at canterbary even conceded that there was no collusion, but they still must protect against even the APPEARANCE of collusion. basically, retards who can't win and don't understand why get to say "they cheated".

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That's a great strategy... I'm going to start cheating with my brother... then if we caught I'll just say that we like to play against eachother "hard" before the flop to push any little edge. Then we like to check fold the flop when we realize that we drove everyone else out of the pot and there's no need for us to renew our brotherly rivalry after the flop.

[PokerBob]

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man someone needs to link those threads from back in the day when cbury forbid schnieds, bk, and nlsoldier and some others from playing together.

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Info please? What's the deal with this? Was I on to something that has been brought up before?

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yes. that situation is very similar to the situation that you have brought up. a moron who couldn't beat the game accused two guys who are friends of colluding.

anyone who knows anything understands that these two play each other HARD . if i recall correctly, the management at canterbary even conceded that there was no collusion, but they still must protect against even the APPEARANCE of collusion. basically, retards who can't win and don't understand why get to say "they cheated".

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That's a great strategy... I'm going to start cheating with my brother... then if we caught I'll just say that we like to play against eachother "hard" before the flop to push any little edge. Then we like to check fold the flop when we realize that we drove everyone else out of the pot and there's no need for us to renew our brotherly rivalry after the flop.

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ugh. you just don't get it. several players in that game, who are well respected in the world of limit hold'em, have posted here and basically said you don't know what the hell you are talking about. you need to look inward, not outward, if you want to solve your problem. there is nothing more i can do for you.

i now fully understand why many MN players travel to CA to play limit.

[eastcoaster]

BB, you were a guest there, a visitor. You played in a game with a lot of locals. It's essentially their game. You lost, claim the money didn't mean anything to you, and now are saying it was collusion. Surely you can see that it would tough for anyone with an unbiased opinion to see your POV.

"I'll just say that we like to play against eachother "hard" before the flop to push any little edge. Then we like to check fold the flop when we realize that we drove everyone else out of the pot and there's no need for us to renew our brotherly rivalry after the flop."

I have seen that play in just about every card room I have ever played in, at one time or another, where I sat at a table with a bunch of locals/regulars. It's not collusion.

[vikefan24]

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1.I'm going to start cheating with my brother... then if we caught I'll just say that we like to play against eachother "hard" before the flop to push any little edge. Then we like to check fold the flop when we realize that we drove everyone else out of the pot and there's no need for us to renew our brotherly rivalry after the flop.

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2. ??????
3. Profit

[PokerBob]

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"I'll just say that we like to play against eachother "hard" before the flop to push any little edge. Then we like to check fold the flop when we realize that we drove everyone else out of the pot and there's no need for us to renew our brotherly rivalry after the flop."

I have seen that play in just about every card room I have ever played in, at one time or another, where I sat at a table with a bunch of locals/regulars. It's not collusion.

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given many of the other inaccuracies he has posted, it wouldn't surprise me if he got the action here wrong too.