Official Barry Bonds Countdown Thread

[By-Tor]

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A-Rod had a .350 EqA in 2005. Not sure where you got your number from.

That said, I'd prefer I do the bet with someone I know.

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lol, please tell me you didn't just throw down the gauntlet for a whole $50 prop bet against Bonds and then immediately back down when the biggest Bonds supporter over the past year on this board took you up on it...





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[SirArthur]

OPS is regarded as one of the ways, (if not the best) to determine who is the best hitter in baseball.
For those that don't know, OPS is on base plus slugging percentage.

Despite A Rod's monster start to the season, both of their OPS are nearly identical. Bonds is 1.302 & A Rod is 1.319.

For perspective on that, the next two closest OPS is Vlad with 1.144 and Chipper with 1.112.

And I don't think protection is overrated very much at all.
From 2001 to 2004 Bonds was walked more intentionally than most other teams (individually) in the league.
Had he adequate protection, and not the likes of Durham (this year), Reggie Sanders, and an old Alou (last year) as scary as it is, his power numbers would be alot higher.

Remember in those MVP years of Bonds, he was batting after Kent and had limited protection for himself.
He broke Babe Ruths walk record (how sexy) then shattered that record the following year.

Bonds walk totals from 2001 to 2004 are 177, 198, 148, 232.
By comparison A rod's walk totals from 01 to 04 are 75, 87, 87, 80)
That's 755 (what a #?) walks for bonds and 329 for A Rod.
A rod had lots of protection in that powerful Texas lineup, & now with the Yankees.
Give Bonds over 400 more at bats and he would have hit maybe 50 more home runs over that time period.

Back to Kent & Bonds.
Bonds had a monster year in 2000 (49 homers, 306 average, 106 RBI) and the MVP was given to Jeff Kent for some reason.
And oh yes, Bonds was protecting Kent in that lineup.
Kent had 33 homers, and a 334 average, and 125 RBI's.

Kent hit 37 homers in 2002, his last year with the Giants, he hasn't hit 30 in a season since. Yes I know he had a few minor injuries with Houston, but his power numbers are down in all areas without Bonds batting behind him.

Bonds has 7 INT's (three in one game)in the past six games. How many does A Rod have, I don't know but I'd be surprised if it was more than two.
Bonds has over twice as many walks as A rod already this season, and in fewer games.

So protection is very important in a lineup, and I don't feel it's overrated much, if at all.
For example: An eighth place hitter in an NL lineup (in many situations) will hardly get anything to hit with the pitcher following him.

As for whether or not Bonds is still the best hitter in baseball? The fact that at nearly 43 years of age, and coming back from multiple knee surgeries that he's even included in this discussion speaks volumes.
Most Hall of Famers hit a wall in their late very late 30's, and by age 40 could barely swing a bat.
What Bonds has done post age 40 is already unprecedented in the history of baseball.

Yes I was bored [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] (on break from poker)

[Karak567]

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A-Rod had a .350 EqA in 2005. Not sure where you got your number from.

That said, I'd prefer I do the bet with someone I know.

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lol, please tell me you didn't just throw down the gauntlet for a whole $50 prop bet against Bonds and then immediately back down when the biggest Bonds supporter over the past year on this board took you up on it...





sighhhhhhh

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uh i didnt back down... i just said i'd rather do it with someone i know

i dont recognize that poster

if everyone vouches for him then i guess he's good

[RedBean]

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uh i didnt back down... i just said i'd rather do it with someone i know

i dont recognize that poster

if everyone vouches for him then i guess he's good

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Dude, for a measly $50, I'll let YOU hold the money...lol.

In fact, that may even out the odds for you, because the only way your making a score here is if you decide to take it and run.

You've got a better chance at having a three-way with Cindy Crawford and Joe Frazier in the next 6 months than A-Rod does of putting up a better EqA than Bonds this season.

[Thremp]

Karak,

Are you just a bitch or that worried about being grimmed out of $50?

SirArthur,

Please adjust Bonds OPS for when he doesn't get those walks instead due to protection.

[Karak567]

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uh i didnt back down... i just said i'd rather do it with someone i know

i dont recognize that poster

if everyone vouches for him then i guess he's good

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Dude, for a measly $50, I'll let YOU hold the money...lol.

In fact, that may even out the odds for you, because the only way your making a score here is if you decide to take it and run.

You've got a better chance at having a three-way with Cindy Crawford and Joe Frazier in the next 6 months than A-Rod does of putting up a better EqA than Bonds this season.

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Bet is done then. I don't need to hold the money.

[Jack of Arcades]

Thremp,

Do you really think teams wouldn't walk Bonds if he had a good hitter behind him? The only time they wouldn't walk him was if you had someone truly great. Furthermore, if they didn't want to walk him he'd be teeing off the crappy pitches he'd force them to make by taking the borderline pitches and getting into good counts.

[RedBean]

Karak, how's this for a prop bet with a little hair on its chest.....same terms...I'll take Bonds vs "player to be named later" in Adjusted OPS, minimum 115 games played.

Yes..."player to be named later".

That means <u>once the season is over</u>, you can pull up the Adjusted OPS rankings and pick whoever the hell you want to put up against Bonds.

[SirArthur]

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SirArthur,

Please adjust Bonds OPS for when he doesn't get those walks instead due to protection.

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What's the formula for that? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

If he weren't getting those walks due to inadequate protection, I believe his slugging % would rise to compensate (perhaps not fully) for less walks.

Also, you brought up good points before.

Bonds is off to a great start no doubt, but his long term durablity for the season will be in question and truly tested.
He says his knees feel as great as they have in years, so I think he'll be able to play in about 125 games or so.
He typically sits day games after night games etc. and is removed for Linden after his last at bat in the 7th or 8th depending on the situation so he does get his rest.

After his two homer game in Pittsburgh earlier this year, Bochy took him out of an 8-1 game in the 4th inning to get some rest.

[THAY3R]

Karak,

I hope you realize for you to win this bet you need the following things to happen :

1) For some reason, Bonds no longer on steroids
2) ARod hits 100+ Home Runs


Good luck [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]