Official EPT Monte Carlo thread

[Arnfinn Madsen]

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$EV /=/ cEV in an absolute vacuum

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He chair doesn't have a huge value, it is just daydreaming.

[mastr]

there's a great cardplayer article about this... only good one i've ever read.. wish i remember what it was called, that did a ton of math to show why you should make the QQ call because over a large MTT you're not gonna get it in better enough of the time to sac that ev right then and there. this has that going for it plus the other gains of crushing his super soft table after PA is gone

[ZJ123]

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there's a great cardplayer article about this... only good one i've ever read.. wish i remember what it was called, that did a ton of math to show why you should make the QQ call because over a large MTT you're not gonna get it in better enough of the time to sac that ev right then and there. this has that going for it plus the other gains of crushing his super soft table after PA is gone

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What if your not bankrolled?
What if this the only big event you will ever play?
etc...

lots of factors, go into this. Its not the end of the world to pass up marginally EV+ spots.

[mastr]

and that's your mistake. If you're playing a large MTT, then yes it sure as hell is.

[bigj0e03]

I would just like to say that you guys are all being really obnoxious. He made a good call. He hasn't even given his justification for it yet and you guys are still criticizing his "play" without even knowing what it was exactly. Was he planning on check/calling an all in on any flop preflop? Did he pick up some type of read on PA? none of us know, and none of you have any idea what you're talking about. And don't come back at me with "your good players and are just constructively criticizing a play" [censored]. He made a great call, we don't know why yet but I'm sure he'll explain himself. He's a nice guy and I'm sure if it was me I would be extremely pissed that all of you are making these type of comments and/or claiming he made a "Hero Call" or whatever. Maybe he did. Did any of you think about the fact that if he was right and won he would get huge press for it? Thats the kind of [censored] that gets you sponsorships. Who knows why he did it but please stop making stupid, holier than thou comments until he posts his reply.

And to all of you who say that his comment after the hand was arrogant...go [censored] yourself. He just lost the biggest pot of his life after making the greatest call of his life. From what I can tell he handled it like all of us hope we would. I can tell you if it was me I would've said alot worse things. It looks as though K high was good, so maybe he would've called with K high...I'm ranting but I can't sleep and I am so disappointed at where this thread has gone.

[ASPoker8]

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I would just like to say that you guys are all being really obnoxious. He made a good call. He hasn't even given his justification for it yet and you guys are still criticizing his "play" without even knowing what it was exactly. Was he planning on check/calling an all in on any flop preflop? Did he pick up some type of read on PA? none of us know, and none of you have any idea what you're talking about. And don't come back at me with "your good players and are just constructively criticizing a play" [censored]. He made a great call, we don't know why yet but I'm sure he'll explain himself. He's a nice guy and I'm sure if it was me I would be extremely pissed that all of you are making these type of comments and/or claiming he made a "Hero Call" or whatever. Maybe he did. Did any of you think about the fact that if he was right and won he would get huge press for it? Thats the kind of [censored] that gets you sponsorships. Who knows why he did it but please stop making stupid, holier than thou comments until he posts his reply.

And to all of you who say that his comment after the hand was arrogant...go [censored] yourself. He just lost the biggest pot of his life after making the greatest call of his life. From what I can tell he handled it like all of us hope we would. I can tell you if it was me I would've said alot worse things. It looks as though K high was good, so maybe he would've called with K high...I'm ranting but I can't sleep and I am so disappointed at where this thread has gone.

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I agree. I can understand why people are analyzing the hand from an objective viewpoint, but I think it's obvious there were significant extraneous factors which Adam used to make the call.

I talked with Adam a little bit and I was really impressed with how he played, and how he handled himself throughout the aftermath of the call.

[ZJ123]

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I would just like to say that you guys are all being really obnoxious. He made a good call. He hasn't even given his justification for it yet and you guys are still criticizing his "play" without even knowing what it was exactly. Was he planning on check/calling an all in on any flop preflop? Did he pick up some type of read on PA? none of us know, and none of you have any idea what you're talking about. And don't come back at me with "your good players and are just constructively criticizing a play" [censored]. He made a great call, we don't know why yet but I'm sure he'll explain himself. He's a nice guy and I'm sure if it was me I would be extremely pissed that all of you are making these type of comments and/or claiming he made a "Hero Call" or whatever. Maybe he did. Did any of you think about the fact that if he was right and won he would get huge press for it? Thats the kind of [censored] that gets you sponsorships. Who knows why he did it but please stop making stupid, holier than thou comments until he posts his reply.

And to all of you who say that his comment after the hand was arrogant...go [censored] yourself. He just lost the biggest pot of his life after making the greatest call of his life. From what I can tell he handled it like all of us hope we would. I can tell you if it was me I would've said alot worse things. It looks as though K high was good, so maybe he would've called with K high...I'm ranting but I can't sleep and I am so disappointed at where this thread has gone.

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big joe, i have met Adam hes an awesome kid and great poker player, in my first post i said it was a sick call, and i still think it was, but we are a poker forum, that talks about poker, and i thought bringing up the other side, that isuck posted on P5's was something that made sense, as i understand what both sides are saying. I can't wait to here Adams post.

---ZJ123 aka Charder30

[Clayton]

agreed completely bigjoe, howevere steve did give some thoughtful analysis that i feel does hold weight, the fact that PA can pull this move with a hand that completely crushes AJ being x% of the weighted range.

however i am in the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] junglen camp because I too have made my share of ridiculous calls in significant tournaments, and facing that spot, the courage to make that call when you feel like you're ahead shows a lot about one's character and confidence.

MOST IMPORTANTLY, i feel if villain was a random aggressive scandinavian like fredrik holstrup, junglen would have still made the correct decision if it was to call. the fact that villain was patrik antonius only slighted junglen to call more on the basis that patrik is a hyper-aggressive scandinavian who plays in cashgames that are 6 times as big as the tourney buyin, not the fact that he is Patrik "GOD" Antonius, oh-wow-what-if-i-call-and-im-right-that-would-be-aweomse.

[Bond18]

IMO i don't think adams comments after the hand were that arrogant.

He basically said "well i've played events of this caliber before, i was pretty sure i was ahead, if i lose not the end of the world." I'm sure the wording sounds arrogant when you imagine it in your mind.

As for the play of the hand and the call, I'm pretty sure Adam has way more information than we do on paper being at the table and a feel for PA's play, physical mannerisms, flow, etc.

I try not to make judgements on crazy live hands that involve one or both players making highly out of the ordinary plays, since being there basically becomes mandatory to have the full story and history.

[Pupkin]

I don't think he said anything arrogant and I think it was an incredible call.