Coaching WARNING

[gman06]

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haha, yeah. Whose face is that?


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snowbank's

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That dude is not snowbank

[wrschultz]

By the way, for full disclosure, I didn't post the entire chat log of the 2 hours of coaching I received, but I can if it would help anyone.. Like I said before the first hour was pretty good and I was certainly happy. After waiting from february 8th - march 7th for my second, and nagging almost daily when he was online, I really was unhappy with the second lesson.

Also, I probably should have talked to snowbank about this in private before posting this, and for that I am sorry.

[My_Name_Is_Hov]

I am currently living with snowbank and he has been updating me on the events that have happened with the OP. I remember having a conversation with snowbank when he was relaying to me the frustration he felt after the OP wouldnt take any of his advice. Snowbank told him that he was under rolled and should move down from 1-2 which he was barely beating over a tiny sample size. Snowbank thought that he had the ability to be a solid winner at .25-.50 and told him that. The OP didnt listen and kept playing 1-2. When snowbank got back from vegas he informed me that the student who didnt listen to much of his br advice went busto.

For snowbanks other student who is complaining about his services in this thread... i can vouge for snowbank that he has been very very busy this last month. Be patient and im sure he will make more than enough time for you this month. I have sweated some of his coaching sessions and was quite impressed by how good i thought snowbank was at it. he seemed to give great advise.

and no i dont think that the OP deserves any of his money back. deposit online again and snowbank will def give u the lessons you guys agreed on.

[Keyser.]

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haha, yeah. Whose face is that?


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snowbank's

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That dude is not snowbank

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oh, it's his avatar, figured it was him.

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just got back. hmmmm. interesting developments.

[pokersanjuan]

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I am currently living with snowbank and he has been updating me on the events that have happened with the OP. I remember having a conversation with snowbank when he was relaying to me the frustration he felt after the OP wouldnt take any of his advice. Snowbank told him that he was under rolled and should move down from 1-2 which he was barely beating over a tiny sample size. Snowbank thought that he had the ability to be a solid winner at .25-.50 and told him that. The OP didnt listen and kept playing 1-2. When snowbank got back from vegas he informed me that the student who didnt listen to much of his br advice went busto.


and no i dont think that the OP deserves any of his money back. deposit online again and snowbank will def give u the lessons you guys agreed on.

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This is a straight up lie, I swear I will post every single conversation we had on here. I use trillian instant messenger and I have logs of every conversation. Regardless do you think I was playing 1/2 when i hit 10 buy ins? No, I moved down.

Regardless if he wants to do the sessions with me or not, I want to sell my sessions to someone else and be done with this whole thing.

Of course I see you are sticking up for your friend, but

Does he always relay frustrations to you about students, or just now when all of this blew up? How was he frustrated about me not taking any advice if this conversation was 3 days ago? It is impossible for him 3 weeks ago to relay frustration about any of this if THIS JUST HAPPENED. How does he know I kept playing 1/2 if I hadnt talked to him in weeks(which I moved down anyway)? Last time we talked the session wasnt barely even about poker but pep talks and telling me to post/read more 2p2.

I admire you sticking up for your friend, but to me none of this adds up.

I'll post every chat I have with snowbank on a blog or something somewhere.

Just let me sell off my hours so I can be done with this.

[Fly]

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As for teh question of ethics, I was a tennis coach until very recently, and we had similar deals. Pay X for Z lessons. If half way through the course some1 didn't want the rest of lessons b/c he wanted to give up tennis (basically what is happening here) then I wouldn't give nay of the money back, and I think thats 100% OK ethically, as would all the other coaches at the various clubs I was at, where this situation came up.


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The OP did not just decide to "give up" poker, he went broke. He is unable to play. Snowbank definitely isn't obligated to return the money but if I were in his shoes I can't imagine even considering keeping the money.

[KLJ]

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FWIW, I've spoken to snowbank on AIM. I really feel bad for him that not enough people have defended him and that loads of people (typical 2p2 mentality) are jumping to conclusions here and trashing his name without just cause at all.

I know he's going to reply here shortly, so I don't really want to say too much about it, but IMO, with regards to the orig poster, its pretty obv that snowbank is in the right and OP in the wrong. OP signed up for a set amount of lessons for a set price. He doesnt have the right to a refund just because he wants one....thats pretty obvious.

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of course.. either today or tommorow

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i keed.

i think its clear that snowbank doesn't have to give anything back, but is probably best that he does for metagame

[Ralph Wiggum]

Seems like the guys whom have had Snowbank coach as a coach are displeased (at least 3 guys in this thread). OTOH, the guys who know Snowbank are saying that Snowbank is cool & his students are wrong.

Where Snowbank's reply? Tomorrow? Too busy? He's had time to talk with guys who have already responded on his behalf.

[Michaelson]

WTF is with all of snowbank's friends chiming in, but no word from Snowbank himself?

Also, the idea that you pay $150 for coaching, and struggle for a month to get ahold of him "but don't worry he's been busy and it'll be better this month" is total BS. Don't take on a student at that point in time if you're so busy. It's not hard.

And finally, can one of the "Snowbank shouldn't have to pay back the prepaid time" crew please explain, apart from saying that "pokersanjuan paid up front so tough titties" exactly why Snowbank should keep the cash? Whether or not the student was a bad student is immaterial. He paid for five sessions, received two, and decided--for whatever reason--that he wouldn't be using the last three hours. How is snowbank put out by that? Regardless of whether it's legal/good business practice/whatever, it's just a douche move. Snowbank didn't do anything for the money!