Why you guys aren't crushing these Microlimit games...

[Aaron W.]

For those are folding top pair on the flop to a single bet...

[Aaron W.]

Because a few of you didn't get the memo.

[DocOfDan]

Great post Ed - and thanks for bumping this guys - might have missed it otherwise.

As a relative newbie and one who has just started using pokertracker, wouldn't that give you a good guide as to whether you were folding too much?

Your VPIP% would give you an indication that you were getting the 'tight' part of being a tight agressive player right.

The other stats, such as WSD%, and %times folded on flop, turn and river would give you an indication if you were being too timid in the way Ed talks about.

Am I right, or being over-simplistic?

[IRES_GUY]

I'm pretty new to this site, but been playing awhile. This post really opened my eyes. I've been roughly breaking even for awhile, but having a hard time getting to the next level. This post is great.

One question - will playing this way increase this "swings" I will experience? In other words, by raising more into big pots, one will often lose a fair amount when one's hand is not best. However, when it is the best, one will win a lot. This seems to suggest that a good tolerance for swings back and forth (with a constance upward trend over time) is needed.

Is my thinking correct?

I ask becuase I have been very adverse to swings - hence I think I tend to be VERY tight and at times perhaps too eager to fold.

[IRES_GUY]

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[Grunch]

Playing the SSH way is very high-variance. But instead of seeking out a lower-variance weak-tight playing style, your BR would be better served by the higher gains you get from the high-variance style. Learn to love pain.

[chris_a]

Swing adverse is nice, but not at the expense of grinding it out at a buck an hour. Worry about maximizing your win rate first, then worry about minimizing swings.

Remember necessary bankroll is proportional to variance divided by expectation. Increasing your expectation should be the first priority.

[stlip]

Two steps forward, one step back, that is the only way to work it in a game that combines skill and chance. If you are trying to minimize swings you are working against your own best interests.

[torx]

if not for bumping this.
when you're playing on a small bankroll, i'm talking about one that can't be replenished easily, i think you're better off decreasing variance. when you have a winning playing style, you can get your bankroll up to where you can endure the swings and then maximize the win rate.
clearly if you work on maximizing your win rate and going broke in the process you win nothing.
therefore, get your bankroll up there first, 300 is suggested by most books, if you have a nice sample size and know about confidence/deviation/variation you can calculate the needed bankroll yourself. (after playing with the maximize winning strategy for the sample size, obviously)

[FrontonPoker]

excellent thread, reply to add to favs