"Official" WSOP ME Broadcast on ESPN Thread (Day 1)

[robber baron]

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Steve Dannenman may have the worst group of friends ever.

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And, you can tell that from 1 minute on TV, genius?


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Yes.

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What a Troll ... you can really say that someone has "the worse group of friends ever" from a 1 minute segment on TV.

With over 300 posts in less than a month, I am guessing you don't have friends and therefore have nothing to compare against.

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Steve Danneman comes off as a typical annoying rich douchebag. I don't find him the least bit charming or amusing. But considering ESPN's (BOOYA!) target audience it figures that he would be their darling.

[dlk9s]

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What was the action?

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Jensen limped, Phil raised to 450, Slowplay Kid calls w/AA from the blind, Jensen folds.

Flop: Q-T-9r (Jensen folded a flopped straight)

Check-check.

Turn: 8

Check-check.

River: 2

Slowplay kid bets 500, Phil calls and rants.

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Back to this hand, I don't think the way the Kid played it was as bad as people are saying.

First, there's no need to re-raise it PF, as Jensen is the only one left in the hand. If he re-raises, he pretty much defines his hand. Plus, there's no need to overcommit just because you have AA.

I think checking the flop was his biggest mistake. Yes, Hellmuth could have flopped a set, considering his starting hand selection, but I think you need to take the initiative with A-A here. If you get raised, then think about letting it go.

I don't blame him for the check on the turn now that the board got scary.

River was fine.

Not a fantastically played hand, but I think, aside from being overly cautious (or slowplaying) on the flop, he got as much as he was going to get out of that hand.

[billyjex]

lol @ people saying the pros shouldn't play the ME if they feel the need to talk a little [censored] to the amatuers. i guess you guys are not human, and can always contain your emotions in highly stressful and emotional situations.

they're people who become frustrated, and those emotions overrule their common sense and they talk a little crap. it's not easy to keep your mouth shut when you're playing against absolutely horrible players and you can't catch a hand for the life of you.

[billyjex]

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Steve Dannenman may have the worst group of friends ever.

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Yeah, they seem like a bunch of laid back, fun guys. Sucks!

[Scooterdoo]

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Back to this hand, I don't think the way the Kid played it was as bad as people are saying.

First, there's no need to re-raise it PF, as Jensen is the only one left in the hand. If he re-raises, he pretty much defines his hand. Plus, there's no need to overcommit just because you have AA.

I think checking the flop was his biggest mistake. Yes, Hellmuth could have flopped a set, considering his starting hand selection, but I think you need to take the initiative with A-A here. If you get raised, then think about letting it go.

I don't blame him for the check on the turn now that the board got scary.

River was fine.


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I loved the check on the flop. Too many people give away their hand with AA and Phil has already done the raising for him. The check gave him the best chance of maximizing his value with AA against a player like PH. However, the checks on the flop and turn were horrible. He has no idea where he is and he cannot just assume that Phil has hit a monster.. and Phil could be drawing here so he needs to make him pay. The odds are he's still very much ahead. Now if Phil reraises him, he might have some tough decision, but I just don't think Phil does this. He just calls. Anyway, Phil played it pretty standard and the guy could have gotten much more.

Onto the other three hands that they showed of Phil where he lost. The JJ/QQ hand seemed pretty standard and the fold was no big deal. He lost the minimum, but not because of any great way he played it. On the A6 hand, I'm not sure what he was crying about regarding getting bluffed and cold-decked. He played this one like [censored] and lost too much. I guess the turn only cost him $1k, but with a guy betting into two players and the 3rd player yet to act, it sure seems like there's a good chance he's drawing dead, plus even if he's not he'll be faced with a very tough decision on the river. Very surprised he called the turn.

The AQ hand confused me. Didn't he still have $2.5k left with blinds of no more than 50/100. Would the guy be forcing him all-in with AJ or AT? I don't see this, so either he's dominated or at best a 50/50 shot. Why does he think he must make this call other than the fact that he is tilting? Don't know if he's the best hold'em player in the world, but he's certainly the best player at this table.

How about when he gets raised by the TT guy and he rants how nobody will let him win a pot? Are guys supposed to just fold hands to him so he can win? Very strange.

[TheFreeze]

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just saw the first ep. lol @ "kiddie game" gotta love live poker.

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Not a Jensen fan but I liked his comment on that about the kid needing an original line instead of chasing Matusow's nuts or something.

[Rottersod]

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I think anyone who believes he could fold Farha's boat is lying to himself and to us.

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who are you replying to?

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the several people who said "easy fold" or "you gotta fold here"

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That's cool but you should reply to their posts then and not mine.

[THEOSU]

648 posts and you havent figured out the quick reply feature?

[wonderwes]

The more I think about it, the more I believe Harrah's setup Harman vs Zeidman on purpose. I mean what are the odds they plan on the same day, let alone play on the same table, and then sit next to each other. Zeidman of course busted a little while after Harman did. Two years in a row of lucky cards.

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What's with Danneman's friends ranging from like 25 to 60?

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Kramer ... not sure how old you are, but as you season, your friends' ages tend to spread across a broader range.

I am 46 with 2 young kids ... many of the parents of my kid's schoolmates are 15 years younger than me, and they are often the ones we develop friendships with. Two of my best friends I met through common business interests are in their 70s, 25 years older than me. Great couple to go out and have dinner with.

If you are in your early 20's 10 years is huge - 11 to 31 for a 21 year old. 11 is in elementary school, while 31 is middle-aged to some of you. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] But to someone 46, 36 - 56 is not uncommon.

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