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Old 07-24-2006, 07:20 AM
Check_The_Nuts Check_The_Nuts is offline
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Any chance you could point the administration to this thread. I think it would be halarious if they read it, and maybe a train wreck could be started?

It'd also be somewhat funny if the adminstration were 2p2ers.
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:39 AM
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a word of advice, just use the professional version. U don't want to get a bad recommendation if you need a reference. Anytime I have quit a job, I always end with a lot of praise.


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a reference from this administration is moot, as they were both hired while i was on leave. they have never had me work under them, thus they are not in a position to say anything about me, good or bad. i agree that one shouldn't burn bridges, but in this case there is no bridge to burn. besides, i have the 2 previous principals who will give me glowing references, so the new folks can [censored] off.
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:32 AM
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-principal has never returned my calls requesting a meeting with him and assistant principal. just sent him an email telling him that since he has chosen to ignore my requests for a meeting, i have no other option but to set up a meeting with the superintendent.

-sent an email to the superintendent requesting a meeting to discuss my concerns about the circumstances surrouding my return from my leave of absense.



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I am a bit confused...what are you expecting the superintendant to do? If s/he overrides the principal, you are not going to like working there, because of bad vibes, or worse. it may even sabotage your opportunities for a new district. It is amazing what people can twist out of things when they are looking for dirt.

My suggestion for the discussion with the superintendant would be strictly along the lines of regret at having to leave the district, and sorrow that there just isn't room for two or three upper division teachers. Ask for a suggestion for another location and also ask for a recommendation if you have any relationship with the superintendent. Also, let them know that you would like to be notified if there is a need for an ap physics instructor next year.

I wouldn't get into any politics or frustration. The only thing would be to suggest they put a policy in place for teachers returning from sabbatical. Perhaps mention your desire to develop another top notch physics program and fulfill your desire to spread your methods and learn from others? Keep it all positive, and let the TAP and principal sweat what you might have said?

IMO, just be glad that you will be in great demand with your skills and hopefully make a difference in the lives of many kids who will benefit from your instruction.
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Old 07-24-2006, 04:36 AM
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-principal has never returned my calls requesting a meeting with him and assistant principal. just sent him an email telling him that since he has chosen to ignore my requests for a meeting, i have no other option but to set up a meeting with the superintendent.

-sent an email to the superintendent requesting a meeting to discuss my concerns about the circumstances surrouding my return from my leave of absense.



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I am a bit confused...what are you expecting the superintendant to do? If s/he overrides the principal, you are not going to like working there, because of bad vibes, or worse. it may even sabotage your opportunities for a new district. It is amazing what people can twist out of things when they are looking for dirt.

My suggestion for the discussion with the superintendant would be strictly along the lines of regret at having to leave the district, and sorrow that there just isn't room for two or three upper division teachers. Ask for a suggestion for another location and also ask for a recommendation if you have any relationship with the superintendent. Also, let them know that you would like to be notified if there is a need for an ap physics instructor next year.

I wouldn't get into any politics or frustration. The only thing would be to suggest they put a policy in place for teachers returning from sabbatical. Perhaps mention your desire to develop another top notch physics program and fulfill your desire to spread your methods and learn from others? Keep it all positive, and let the TAP and principal sweat what you might have said?

IMO, just be glad that you will be in great demand with your skills and hopefully make a difference in the lives of many kids who will benefit from your instruction.

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i am well aware that the super is likely not going to override anything. but he is the face of the district and needs to know what is going on here, and i am quite confident that he is totally in the dark. i will make it very clear to him that i do not want to leave, but given the way (a) the schedule has turned out and (b) the way i have been ignored by the administration, i feel no loyalty to the district and have no choice but to explore opportunites elsewhere.

assuming i go back, i will be (a) working for an administration that gave no consideration to my preferences when it came to scheduling and (b) working with two colleagues who were unwilling to compromise in the least and clearly were out to protect their own interests. these "bad vibes" you speak of already exist, and they were not created by me.
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Old 07-24-2006, 08:41 AM
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Bob,

As much as it sounds like it's not really your personality to brag about yourself, you have to mention the things you said in the original post (good AP scores, enrollment more than doubled in the first 3 years you were there, one of the 3-4 nominated to speak, etc.), preferably with documentation, or the superintendent will have no reason to take your side in this thing.
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Old 07-24-2006, 09:04 AM
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PB what you need to have is a decapathon(sp) school event in the audithorium.

10 events showing all the differnt things you learn in science the winner gets the schedule they want.
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:56 AM
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i am well aware that the super is likely not going to override anything. but he is the face of the district and needs to know what is going on here, and i am quite confident that he is totally in the dark. i will make it very clear to him that i do not want to leave, but given the way (a) the schedule has turned out and (b) the way i have been ignored by the administration, i feel no loyalty to the district and have no choice but to explore opportunites elsewhere.

assuming i go back, i will be (a) working for an administration that gave no consideration to my preferences when it came to scheduling and (b) working with two colleagues who were unwilling to compromise in the least and clearly were out to protect their own interests. these "bad vibes" you speak of already exist, and they were not created by me.

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While your situation definitely sucks really bad... is it possible you are just the odd man out here and taking this all too personally because of how awesome you are at your job? Keep in mind that the rest of your co-workers likely think they are just as good a teacher as you and are fending for themselves because they are too stupid to see it any other way.

That being said, if they can't see that you belong teaching AP then I would say screw all the politics and go somewhere else pronto. While it sucks for the students I don't think a school with people that dumb in charge deserves you.

Edit: sorry for the boring contribution but I am really late to the thread. gl dude.
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:00 AM
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-sent an email to the superintendent requesting a meeting to discuss my concerns about the circumstances surrouding my return from my leave of absense.


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FWIW central office is completely driven by parents. MY CO would listen to you but not really give a [censored]. It's not really in their job description to make sure teachers get a fair shot in scheduling practices. It probably should be part of principal oversight but I don't think it really is.

Take some parents with you at the very least. Some kids who scored 5s have to have parents will to come to your aid.

Krishan
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:18 AM
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-principal has never returned my calls requesting a meeting with him and assistant principal. just sent him an email telling him that since he has chosen to ignore my requests for a meeting, i have no other option but to set up a meeting with the superintendent.

-sent an email to the superintendent requesting a meeting to discuss my concerns about the circumstances surrouding my return from my leave of absense.

-have applied for a job in another district.

-have a few drafts of my letter of resignation in the works. one "professional" version. another "go [censored] yourself" version. another "in between" version.

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Polite resignation. No benefit to the other one, small chance of big problems later on.

Do you really want to teach the schedule they gave you this year? Why not just take leave for another year and make sure to find another job?
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:32 AM
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-principal has never returned my calls requesting a meeting with him and assistant principal. just sent him an email telling him that since he has chosen to ignore my requests for a meeting, i have no other option but to set up a meeting with the superintendent.

-sent an email to the superintendent requesting a meeting to discuss my concerns about the circumstances surrouding my return from my leave of absense.

-have applied for a job in another district.

-have a few drafts of my letter of resignation in the works. one "professional" version. another "go [censored] yourself" version. another "in between" version.

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Polite resignation. No benefit to the other one, small chance of big problems later on.

Do you really want to teach the schedule they gave you this year? Why not just take leave for another year and make sure to find another job?

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likely too late to get a leave approved by the board.
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