ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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I don't assume that curtains is a cheater. I do understand why he would be getting flack. I have to guess that a good amount of succesful mtt'ers/SNG'ers were participating in the practice of multi-accounting. I understand that several people, prior to october, had multiple accounts for the purpose of multitabling, and that most of them had faced the issue of multiaccounting mtt's. I think all succesful highstakes SNG'ers or MTT'ers are going to have to put up with a lot evil "looks" for the next few weeks for this reason. I am sympathetic to people who are innocent, but I think the situation is unavoidable for the time being.


EDIT: I don't mean to condone flaming people or pointing fingers, just saying there is now a group that is under a cloud of suspicion wether they are cheaters or not.

[TimWakefield]

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I believe this is my first post here, usually I'm on the FCP forums. Perhaps somebody has said this before, but SINCE HE HAS BEEN CAUGHT CHEATING ALL OF HIS PROFITS SHOULD BE SUSPECT.

For some reason a lot of you guys seem to think this is like Men Nguyen getting caught snagging a few extra chips during break. It's not. ZJ was systematically cheating in as much as every single MTT he played in. Just because he has not yet been accused of cheating in SNGs does not mean he did not cheat in those as well.

To me, ZJ is an extremely successful cheater. Perhaps somebody has proof of big $$$ he won without cheating, but if nobody does then all of his winnings should be considered tainted. He is not accused of cheating once. He is accused, and addmitted to, cheating all the time.

And even if we believe his story that his 6 selves WEREN'T acting as a team (and you are an idiot if you believe that) it is still an enormous advantage. Do you think Phil Ivey would enter the WSOP if he was facing a field of say 2000 players, including 6 Dan Harringtons, even if all six PROMISED with all their heart not to collude (and that they would distract themselves with massages and sidebets if they were at the same table) hahahahahahahahahahahhaha.

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What, I get no love on my first post?????? No welcome even?

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SCREW YOU GUYS, I'M GOING HOME (to FCP)

[BluffTHIS!]

curtains,

I think I have made my views clear with my exchange with shaniac last nite that I think those who knew of cheating going on, but failed to turn them in after warning them, or disassociate themselves from them at the very least, are in the wrong. But that certainly doesn't merit accusations that those of you were also doing the same thing.

But it nonetheless remains, that you and others knew players here that you post with day in and day out, were being cheated as you yourselves were too of course, and yet failed to even come here and start a generic thread without mentioning names, warning your fellow 2+2'ers that they were being cheated in general so that they could complain to the poker sites and get them to investigate larger buyin tourneys and even SNGs.

If you don't see it that way, and especially if you think your friendship with cheaters precluded you from making such an explicit anonymous warning, which from you as a respected poster presumably would have been taken at face value, then you are lacking in both ethics yourself as well as a sense of common purpose with other 2+2'ers.

And if you don't like what I have just said and ignore me in the future, then fine. That only means you aren't man enough to see how others who weren't in know view both the cheating and the failure of those in the know to take any action whatsoever about same, and to admit as well that you have some minimal responsibility even when friends admit such wrongdoing to you.

[daryn]

I JUST WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT ANYONE THAT IS RIPPING ON CURTAINS IS CRAZY

[TomBrooks]

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ZJ,You should hire a criminal defense lawyer, and stop making statements. Seriously.

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If ZJ had any chance of getting his money back, he probably blew it when he posted his confession in this thread. That's why lawyers constantly remind their clients not to say anything. Too late for ZJ's bankroll.

His confession probably didn't help his soul much either, since he is not truly contrite.

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I JUST WANT TO BE THE FIRST TO SAY THAT ANYONE THAT IS RIPPING ON CURTAINS IS CRAZY

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daryn,

Every day before those cheaters were caught, and even now as other cheaters known to some but yet to be caught, posters here plunked down their tourney money and got cheated. So did those who knew but didn't participate of course. And yet they couldn't even come here and make a general warning without giving names so that posters could get sites to investigate. I guess they thought that would be [censored] over their cheater buddies. And yet they thought nothing about allowing their fellow posters here to get [censored] over every day by doing absolutely nothing.

[shermanash]

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one of my pet peeves. use "moot" instead of "mute" point.

rj

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It's actually a "moo point", not a "moot" point. You know, a point that a cow would make. It means nothing. It's a "moo" point.

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lmao if the "moo" part is serious, NH if its a joke

[GETT1NLOTS]

I didn't really want to get involved in the whole 'curtains debate' seeing as we should be roundly kicking the proverbial out of ZJ for being a low life. That said this side of the debate isn't going to go away so I'll post up my observations for critique.

Anyone who knew that innocent, hard working people were being abused are culpable in part. In life it is sometimes hard to do the right thing but the ability to succeed in doing so separates the average from the heroes. I could give you many examples in history when the virtue of honesty and integrity in the face of adversity and personal hurt made icons of mortals - but those examples would be met with ridicule from the vast paternity of the poker playing public.

Sometimes it's hard to do the right thing - but doing the right thing divides the men from the boys in life. In fact you Americans (generalising) should embrace such virtues seeing as you have a film industry that shoves such ethics down our collective throats at every opportunity.....

PS - I have no idea who (if anyone) knew that ZJ was a scum bag. I'm just saying............

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Shane, add me to the list of people who barely know you but have gained respect for you from this thread.

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Throw me in there as well

[Steam Donkey]

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It's worthless to take the holier than thou attitude until you've been faced with the temptation and have overcome it.



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LOL - pretty much everyone on this site who plays online has had the opportunity to cheat, the "temptation" if you will, and the vast majority have somehow managed to overcome it.

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Absolutely true.