ZeeJustin the next to get caught multi accounting Party MTTs

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The only thing this post is missing is the acknowledgment that the list should be much, much, much longer.

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I acknowledge that, but I don't consider it my place to rat on people who aren't already confirmed multi-accounters.

I've known that craze9 and xxTHEJOKERxx are the same person, but I didn't mention that they played in the same event until I saw that the knowledge was in the public domain. I'll wait until the sites come forward with the results of their investigations to discuss anyone other than the four I mentioned.

[William]

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N: I believe the vast majority of people in this thread are disappointed and relatively outraged at the fact that Stars has not taken a more proactive position on this issue. Ackblheh has made some very good points regarding that.

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Who do you think would face more negative attitudes at a live tournament?

1. ZeeJustin
2. JJProdigy
3. Exclusive
4. craze9

If you're interpreting this the way that I am, I think the first two would face MUCH more hostility (I'm not saying they shouldn't face people's anger, I'm just referring to the marginal increase in anger versus the other two).

My point is that the people who didn't get funds frozen (or the ones who did it on Stars) have barely been critcized whereas ZJ and JJ have both had their names dragged through the mud. Other than the fact that ZJ and JJ have offered up poor apologies, I don't see the difference in their actions versus the other two. What am I missing?

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The only thing this post is missing is the acknowledgment that the list should be much, much, much longer.

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As you obviously know who else should be in that list, wouldn't you like to share that information?

[jman220]

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Just in case anyone is interested it is exceptionally easy to mask your IP - so the whole point about poker sites tracking such things is a mute issue.

In case anyone asks how to do it I wont be answering for the obvious reasons.

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Yes, but the point that others were trying to make was that these two players made absolutely no effort to mask their ip, or to hide what they were doinig at all. And they still got away with it for (years?) before someone reported them. How could Party be so negligent as to allow this to go on?

[TomHimself]

OT, is xxRAGEDxx and xxJOKERxx the same person?

[jman220]

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I am not completely computer savvy, but the issue here, but aren't there other ways of detecting that someone is not only playing from the same IP on multiple accounts, but the same physical machine?

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Yes, poker sites do currently track unique machine numbers. They can tell what computer you're logging in with along with the IP. However, it's trivially easy to get around with the right set of hardware and software.

And in response to TomHimself, I'd never use what I know to cheat online poker.

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N82,

It sounds like, although it is trivially easy to get around them, ZJ and JJ made no effort to do so, and yet were not caught for a long time, and only when reported by a fellow player.

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Granted they don't post as much on 2+2, but I'm not sure how that would make it different.

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Because the heat of the response is largely based on ZeeJustin and JJ being 2+2 celebrities.

As to the others, it sounds like you have quite a bit of evidence. I'll campaign with you for them getting tossed on their asses, and screw those guys. But, again, since this is 2+2 discussing it, I don't think those guys are going to draw the same kind of heat here.

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I understand that, but Stars has already basically turned away from this issue. All of the outrage on here seems hypocritical in that so many 2+2ers play on Stars all the time. I would think people would insist on a stronger stance on the part of Stars if they think it's cheating.

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OT, is xxRAGEDxx and xxJOKERxx the same person?

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LOL, no.

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If it is impractical to stop this type of stuff from happening in the first place, it seems that at the very least the major sites should investigate the accounts of anyone who wins a major prize before releasing funds as a standard operating procedure.

Not sure how practical that is either...

[gumpzilla]

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I understand that, but Stars has already basically turned away from this issue. All of the outrage on here seems hypocritical in that so many 2+2ers play on Stars all the time. I would think people would insist on a stronger stance on the part of Stars if they think it's cheating.

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I don't think this last bit makes sense, unleess you're talking about people who come along saying "OMG why doesn't Party stop this WTF?" People can be aware that cheating goes on, have disgust for the cheaters, and still play on a site that doesn't do quite as much as they'd like to stop cheaters. I don't see the hypocrisy.

[ligastar]

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Here is the email I got from PartyPoker yesterday morning:

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Dear Mr Bonomo,

This communication is to inform you of the findings of an investigation launched internally by partypoker.com into six accounts originating from your own location and computer.

These are the accounts in question:

ZeeJustin
IBLUFFUOUT69
jwilson55
vapoker58
mehsab
greenb272

These accounts have been systematically used to enter the same Multi Table Tournaments as a ýteamý, in a deception that is in direct violation of our Terms and Conditions.

Although registered in different names, these accounts have been created with the sole intention of playing as multiple accounts in the same tournaments. All six accounts were consistently logged into at the same time from the same IP/System and show a consistent pattern of being played by the same person.

A decision has been made, in consultation with the Poker Room Manager, Legal and Management, to close these accounts permanently and confiscate all funds. I would ask that you do not attempt to open any further accounts with our company, as these will be closed and any monies therein will be deemed forfeited.

Furthermore, please be informed that we have withdrawn your PPMV Cruise Package and you will no longer appear on the passenger list.

Steve Winter
Manager, Investigations Team


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Yes, it’s true. I did use these accounts to enter multiple accounts in the same multi table tournaments. I have never done this in a tournament with less than 1,000 players.

I have been at the same table as myself. For what it’s worth, my standard protocol has been to increase my number of tables when this happens. As most of you know, I will very rarely be playing fewer than six tables at a time. If I had 6 tables open and two of my accounts were brought to the same table, I would simply open up 4-6 more SNGs. I felt that this would negate my unethical advantage. With 10 tables open, I just play tight and solid. I can’t even remember the hole cards one account folded after the flop, and I’m certainly unable to pay special attention to that table. After talking to Curtains, I realize my standard play should have been to sit one account out when this happens, but I want to make it clear that I never used collusion to my advantage, never chip dumped, or did anything of the sort.

However, what Party emailed me is wrong on several subjects.
First of all, the accounts were NOT created solely for MTT use. They were originally created for SNG play. It got to the point where everyone knew that ZeeJustin would steal the blinds often, and everyone called him liberally. I created these accounts to erase this loose image. Everyone would be readless against me, and it was a huge advantage. These accounts all did very well in the big SNGs on PartyPoker.

N82 referred to a hack that let you open multiple Party clients. I have no clue how no one has mentioned this yet, but no such hack was necessary. This is important, so listen up.

All you had to do was click the PartyPoker icon on your desktop very rapidly. If you did that, multiple clients would open up.

Using this bug, I was able to play multiple accounts on the same computer at the same time. I would be in a step 5 on one name, while playing a mini step 5 on another, and no one would ever suspect that it was me.

All of the money that was seized from me was from sit’n’go play where nothing unethical was done. I never entered multiple accounts into the same sit’n’go, never colluded with anyone, never soft played anyone and never chip dumped with anyone.

The other accounts I used never had any big MTT scores. Combined, I am pretty sure they were all long-term losers in the few MTT’s they played. Despite this, almost $100,000 was seized from my accounts.

For those of you that feel safe because my money was taken, open up your eyes. This money will not be returned to the players in any way. PartyPoker is keeping it because they can, just like they did with JJProdigy’s $40,000, and just like they will do to you when you get caught.

I know what you’re thinking right now, “I won’t get caught, because I didn’t do anything wrong.”

First of all, that doesn’t matter. PartyPoker reserves the right to take your money for any reason at any time (although I should point out that this does not make it legal).

Secondly, almost all of you have broken the rules at some point. How many of you have created a second account for rakeback? Neither creating a second account nor receiving rakeback is allowed. Both are expressly forbidden. Maybe you’ll see things my way once all your money is seized for doing that. If I’m a cheater, so are you.

If you are a saint like CSC claims to be, kudos to you. You are in the minority, and are certainly upstanding citizens. I commend you on following Party’s rules and not receiving rakeback. Most of us are too greedy to pass up money that easy.

Furthermore, I would like to point out, that I did NOT break the rules.

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5. True Identity and One Account.

The name on your Account must match your true and legal name and identity and the name on your Account registration must match the name on the credit card(s) or other payment accounts used to deposit or receive monies in your Account. You are prohibited from holding more than one Account. If you have more than one (1) Account or Accounts in different names, then you must contact us immediately to have your Accounts managed so that you only have one (1). If you have lost your Account name or password, please contact us for a replacement.

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I have one account. That account is named ZeeJustin. My brother also has an account named Bernard61 (formerly jwilson55), and I have used that account quite often. No where in Party’s rules does it say you cannot use someone else’s account. I’m sure many of you have used friends’ accounts before, and there is nothing wrong with this. People will often take over MTT’s for friends that have unforeseen obligations.

I do think what I’ve done is unethical, and I certainly regret doing it, however, I need to point out that no where in Party’s rules is it stated that you cannot enter multiple accounts into the same tournament. Not only do they not forbid it, but to open multiple clients on the same PC, all you have to do is click the icon a bit more rapidly than normal. Great work PartyPoker.

To further show how corrupt PartyPoker is, here is an email I got today from my affiliate manager.
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Dear Justin,
We hereby give you notice that we are terminating our Standard Affiliate Agreement (the “Agreement”) with you. Clause 5.3 of the Agreement states that we are entitled to terminate our Agreement without cause immediately upon this written notice to you. We will also be exercising our right under clause 5.3 to terminate all trackers that you have with us.
We ask that you familiarize yourself with clause 5.5 of the Agreement which sets out the effects of termination. We require you to stop promoting our Site and you are no longer entitled to use our Marketing Materials. We also remind you that the obligation of confidentiality and non-disclosure shall, amongst other things, survive the termination of the Agreement.
Yours sincerely
PartyGaming
Sarah Hunter
Affiliate Relations
PartyGaming Marketing (UK)
Email: [email protected]
London Office +44 (0) 20 7337 0100
18 King William Street, London, EC4N 7BP
www.partygaming.com
This email is sent by PartyGaming Marketing (UK), a provider of services to PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar). The contents of this email may be subject to approval by an authorized representative of PartyGaming Marketing (Gibraltar).
The information contained in this email, and any attachments hereto, is strictly confidential and solely intended for use by the individual(s) and/or entity(s) to which it is addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the System Manager at [email protected] as soon as possible


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I have not broken the affiliate agreement in any way shape or form, so PartyPoker is using good old clause 5.3 to stop paying me simply because they can. If this makes you feel safe, you are being completely illogical. It can and will happen to more people, this I guarantee. You’re not safe at all.

In conclusion, I want to make it clear that I regret what I did, and have done somethings that were unethical. Despite this, PartyPoker’s actions are unreasonable, and their power to take the same actions against you should not be taken lightly. This rampage that PartyPoker is on will certainly not end with me. So whatever you do, be careful.

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You Sir are a teenager with no clue. You cheated. You got caught. Deal with it now like a man. Your post is a joke.