Official JUNE uNL **'`MICROBREW THREAD`'** LC/NC this way...

[Chomp]

Thanks Gelford.

Sheesh. Bit depressing how far behind this stuff I am tbh.

Here's an odd thing though, that I've mentioned before. I must have looked at dozens and dozens and dozens of poker videos: Cardrunners, DynastyPoker, Isura, iStrong etc. etc. This encompasses all levels from 25NL up to Townswend and Caby playing 10/20NL.

In all that time (maybe 100 hours of poker played at all levels by very good players), I swear to God I have seen them making "moves" about 10 times in total. And these were primarily Caby playing beautiful power poker at hi stakes, which is obviously a game different in nature to the one us donks are playing.

Now, I know the concept of Merging Ranges is not a "move". It is more a matter of optimising value/bluffing/metagame considerations. But at the same time, I can look at a Townsed video and he is: betting for value always, bluffing in fairly obvious spots occasionally, always playing from position, folding wisely, exploiting weakness etc.

IOW, basic, basic stuff.

On any given river he is not looking to merge a range. He is looking to value bet or, occasionally, push a guy off a hand. Or whatever.

I guess what I am saying is that poker need not be as complex as we sometimes think, and while ceoncepts such as merging ranges helps us undertsnad the game better in an abstact sense (it deepens out thinking) it seems something Townsend/whoever does as part of a basic game anyway. Give it a name, sure, but it is still value-betting and/or semi-bluffing and/or pure bluff.


(Cliff notes: I am jealous that others understand complex poker theory I don't, so I am trying to convince myself - half-heartedly - that it really doesn't matter [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])

[Chomp]

Bozzer - thanks, that's what I thought from reading the posts, but you explain it perfectly.

[bozzer]

crap 49 posts left till my 1000th post!

edit: ok just to add something...

i think aba has a fundementally very simple set of ideas about poker - ranges, game theory etc. he doesn't seem to be massively into out levelling his opponent. (except when screwing Ivey with a fake misclick with KK lol). I'm sure he does make bets that he's not sure are for value or as bluffs though.

but you're right, whenever I watch a cr vid I nearly always think 'i could sit in that game'. the thing is 99% of highstakes play seems to be reasonably similar to SSNL play, but if you drop a stack making a stupid mistake during the 1% of tough hands that will kill your WR.

[tms]

yea i remember when a friend let me play 200NL on his account, granted it was back in the days of party and he was sitting right beside me, but won a few buyins in an hour using the ABC poker that I use today, thus my inspiration to keep moving up.

[corsakh]

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Thanks Gelford.

Sheesh. Bit depressing how far behind this stuff I am tbh.

Here's an odd thing though, that I've mentioned before. I must have looked at dozens and dozens and dozens of poker videos: Cardrunners, DynastyPoker, Isura, iStrong etc. etc. This encompasses all levels from 25NL up to Townswend and Caby playing 10/20NL.

In all that time (maybe 100 hours of poker played at all levels by very good players), I swear to God I have seen them making "moves" about 10 times in total. And these were primarily Caby playing beautiful power poker at hi stakes, which is obviously a game different in nature to the one us donks are playing.

Now, I know the concept of Merging Ranges is not a "move". It is more a matter of optimising value/bluffing/metagame considerations. But at the same time, I can look at a Townsed video and he is: betting for value always, bluffing in fairly obvious spots occasionally, always playing from position, folding wisely, exploiting weakness etc.

IOW, basic, basic stuff.

On any given river he is not looking to merge a range. He is looking to value bet or, occasionally, push a guy off a hand. Or whatever.

I guess what I am saying is that poker need not be as complex as we sometimes think, and while ceoncepts such as merging ranges helps us undertsnad the game better in an abstact sense (it deepens out thinking) it seems something Townsend/whoever does as part of a basic game anyway. Give it a name, sure, but it is still value-betting and/or semi-bluffing and/or pure bluff.


(Cliff notes: I am jealous that others understand complex poker theory I don't, so I am trying to convince myself - half-heartedly - that it really doesn't matter [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img])

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Perhaps it depends what a move is. Say raising donkbets and minraises is often profitable. Sometimes its high variance, but it has some benefits.

[matrix]

bleh.

Yesterday I played 50NL like a LAGTard.

Straight pwned some donks and lost 2 buy ins thanks to back to back 2 outters, nice.

Today I am playing 20/19/oo stuff and have paid off flopped sets twice with TPTK vs a couple of big fishies.

6 buyin downswing @ 50NL.

Goals for today.

i) Robusto
ii) stop playing like a retart and throwing away monies.

[corsakh]

I can feel you. So hard to get away from TPTK against total tools.

[KRS ONE]

Month to date.

A bit of consistency wouldn't go astray would it? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[prodonkey]

LOL someone on stars hates me. I was playing my normal heads up sngs the other day, he won one and got cocky, wanted me to play 2 at once.. and I beat him like 7 in a row. He then asked me to stop playing him.. is this a reasonable request? He gets insanely mad if I sit with him, and tells me how rude I am for not respecting his wishes. He said he was going to email stars about me stalking him.

So what would you do? keep playing him? he's really bad and very easy $. Or be nice and not play him anymore?

[Manchild84]

Probably not own thread worthy, so Ill check here with the brew.
is raising in these spots standard? likely going to be OOP and multiway, but still want to build a pot in case of set. I can see decent arguments both ways.

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $86.85
<font color="black">Hero (BB): $50.00</font>
UTG: $128.95
MP: $56.00
CO: $44.25
BTN: $14.25

<font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt (6 Players)
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.00</font>, UTG calls $2.50, CO folds, BTN calls $2.50, SB folds