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Old 08-13-2007, 09:21 AM
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I'm part of a group of people on this board who are intelligent, think critically, are self-aware, ...

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... and modest to a fault.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:24 AM
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I'm part of a group of people on this board who are intelligent, think critically, are self-aware, ...

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... and modest to a fault.

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it's actually because i (and many other posters) have those attributes that makes me able to say that i have those.
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Old 08-13-2007, 09:50 AM
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Cue about 90% idiot smart ass responses. 5% e penis boasts, 4% PS shills telling you to shut up and if you are lucky 1% of possibly useful info/advice.

Oops that already happened.

To all the people who decided to deride the OP in this thread I say this.. How would you like it if you ran that bad, posted a genuine question and were met by such negative responses?

Oh don't tell me, you never ran that bad. Must be nice to be perfect.

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Firstly, a qualification: When I say "no way", what I mean is "not likely to happen in lifetime of universe". There is no way that you would be dealt those hands with that frequency in that sample size.

There is almost no way to run bad for 500k hands. That's the crux of the problem with the post.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:03 AM
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i agree. I make so much less on PS than anywhere else. U get games where the software gets "stuck" Like it will flop 4X4 about 10 out of 25 hands. Whats the odds. I ask people this all the time and they write it off as just chance. The odds of this are most likely in the Millions, yet I see it everyday. I've lost 13 out of 15 heads up all and I do mean ALL by bad beats. Very bad beats. Not races. I'm talkin about me having trips or a st8 on flop and some fish goin gall in and hitting two or three outers. The odds don't add up but make fun if you want or write it off as whatever. The software is screwed.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:06 AM
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i agree. I make so much less on PS than anywhere else. U get games where the software gets "stuck" Like it will flop 4X4 about 10 out of 25 hands. Whats the odds. I ask people this all the time and they write it off as just chance. The odds of this are most likely in the Millions, yet I see it everyday. I've lost 13 out of 15 heads up all and I do mean ALL by bad beats. Very bad beats. Not races. I'm talkin about me having trips or a st8 on flop and some fish goin gall in and hitting two or three outers. The odds don't add up but make fun if you want or write it off as whatever. The software is screwed.


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if you can please email me your heads up hand history files, and i'll host them for some statistical analysis.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:20 AM
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i agree. I make so much less on PS than anywhere else. U get games where the software gets "stuck" Like it will flop 4X4 about 10 out of 25 hands. Whats the odds. I ask people this all the time and they write it off as just chance. The odds of this are most likely in the Millions, yet I see it everyday. I've lost 13 out of 15 heads up all and I do mean ALL by bad beats. Very bad beats. Not races. I'm talkin about me having trips or a st8 on flop and some fish goin gall in and hitting two or three outers. The odds don't add up but make fun if you want or write it off as whatever. The software is screwed.

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One of the major problems with the assertion made by people such as yourself; that a site's software is screwed; is that there is no 'half way house'.

There is no way that the things people complain of can happen 'accidentally'.

An RNG would have to be extremely bad for anyone to notice, simply because it serves so many players in so many games that the sum of the players timings does as much to randomise the play as the RNG code.

Thus for any noticably skewed result (i.e. odd cardfall), the site would need to have commissioned some very advanced and sophisticated software.

The chances that they could do this and keep the fact a secret in the long term are just about nil.

Even if they did, the very last thing that they are going to do is draw attention to the fact by persecuting certain players with bad cards for thousands of hands on the trot.
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:29 AM
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One of the major problems with the assertion made by people such as yourself; that a site's software is screwed; is that there is no 'half way house'.

There is no way that the things people complain of can happen 'accidentally'.

An RNG would have to be extremely bad for anyone to notice, simply because it serves so many players in so many games that the sum of the players timings does as much to randomise the play as the RNG code.

Thus for any noticably skewed result (i.e. odd cardfall), the site would need to have commissioned some very advanced and sophisticated software.

The chances that they could do this and keep the fact a secret in the long term are just about nil.

Even if they did, the very last thing that they are going to do is draw attention to the fact by persecuting certain players with bad cards for thousands of hands on the trot.

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Right, and if anyone wants to read more about why we end up feeling the site is not random when we clearly don't have the ability to determine it without statistical analysis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_bias
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Old 08-13-2007, 10:34 AM
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*grunch*
you suck?
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:13 PM
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To all the people who decided to deride the OP in this thread I say this.. How would you like it if you ran that bad, posted a genuine question and were met by such negative responses?

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i wouldn't post that genuine question 'cause i'm not a muppet.

I generally avoid believing things when i hve no reason to believe them. I'm part of a group of people on this board who are intelligent, think critically, are self-aware, self-analyse our games, use logic, and deductive reasoning. Unusually for a community, we call this the "majority" here.

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Oh don't tell me, you never ran that bad. Must be nice to be perfect.

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I'm sure I've run bad. I don't particularly care, 'cause it's like complaining that you flipped a coin and got heads 3 times in a row. No one cares, no one can do anything about it, and you're not going to change anything in the world by complaining.

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5% e penis boast category
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: I cannot win on pokerstars. Reasons ??

sciolist - stop posting and get cracking on those stats!!!

Roger - if it's so horribly rigged against you why did you keep on playing there?

onlinepro - As I asked previously...are you really going to make it to SNElite? How many points to you have?
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