aba caught bluffing against bobby baldwin in 1.8mil pot

[ifoughtpiranhas]

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in the big game there is a 100K cap for pl/nl right? how could someone win that big of a pot?

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They have that new 20 player table and use 2 decks.... so sick.

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[MikeHoncho]

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I really wonder if Bobby's actually any good. It's nice to imagine that he is, but hard to see how that's possible if it's true he's hardly played in the last 20 years.

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According to the book about Andy Beal's heads up matches vs the Corporation, Bobby Baldwin was a regular in the big game. From what I remember, they had to play at another casino (the nugget?) when he sat in because he had ties to the bellagio.

[baronzeus]

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anyone has details on this huge pot of harman?

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are you thinking of this hand?
100K/200K LHE

she had AQ, flop came something, but turn was KJTx, they went 3 bets on teh turn and 1 bet on the river, beal had KQo IIRC. pot was about 1.8M

[Paragon]

Hey did anyone notice that 100 x 2k is 200,000 yet?

[Johnny Hughes]

Bobby "the Owl" Baldwin was a top road gambler before the won the World Series. He played the Oklahoma/Texas circuit at a very early age against the top players at the time. Later, in Las Vegas, it was generally understood that Baldwin was a cut above everyone else. The legend behind his name is what enouraged Steve Wynn to give him an unprecedented career path. He plays often enough and high enough to keep his hand in.

Brian is a nice enough fellow but he has himself fooled at this time. He is better online than he is live. Check the results. I don't care how many hands he has played, Farha and Baldwin are better live and may have better reads on Brian than he would understand at this time in his tender life. It is not one hand but a series of hands that sets up the big pot bust-out situation. He called a 400K bet with a straight in Omaha when there was a pair on the board. Then he blogged about it being a good play. Farha did not set that up all in one hand.

How many people have you heard of losing two million live in two days? Sure, Brian has a bankroll. So does Andy Beal. The regulars and winners in Bobby's Room are world class poker players. One way you evaluate your play is asking yourself how well you are doing in a particular joint or at a particular level.

Brain is obviously a brilliant young player. I doubt he can beat Bobby's Room. Sure doesn't look like it.

Two million is not a lot of money if you say it real fast.

[Zarathustra]

The onslaught of rail donks maliciously hating on Brian for one hand is pretty amusing. Though in all seriousness...they should all be IP banned from the strategy forums.

[Full-Metall]

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The onslaught of rail donks maliciously hating on Brian for one hand is pretty amusing. Though in all seriousness...they should all be IP banned from the strategy forums.

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QFT

[cbnz]

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My take.

These young Internet hotshots who think they're the be all end all of poker just don't have the seasoning to really understand what the poker world is all about.

People like Baldwin have been around for a long, long time. They've seen lots of hotshots come and mostly go over the years, but nobody ever gives them any credit.

Some of these kids just think they know everything there is to know about poker. What with all of their two to five years of experience.

And some of them haven't hit the variance roller coaster on the downhill slope yet either. It can be a long, long ways down to the bottom of that hill.

I would love to see how some of these new superstars would have fared in the old days with Baldwin, Brunson, Moore, Reese, Zee, Zewin, Tomko, Chan, Ferris, Berman, Ungar, Strauss et al. There used to be some mighhty big no limit and pot limit games around. I used to watch these guys push around 200K pots back in the early 80s. What's 200k in 1983 worth in today's dollars?

I give these kids their props though. They made the money, and they've got the balls to step up and play in the biggest with the best. They'd just better be careful. What goes up, usually comes crashing back down.

For those who haven't read it, Bobby Baldwin's book, Winning Poker Secrets is a very good read. This guy's been through eveything these kids are facing now--and then some.

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lol please to write off aba as some random hotshot is laughable he has hit downswings and battled through, he loses a couple sessions and everyone freaks, and i am pretty sure guys like aba have a better idea of what the "poker world" is about then someone like you

[Tofu_boy]

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Lets look at the three types of Historical Money Management for Poker Players. In the 1970's and 1980's, there were three Poker Prodegies. You had Chip Reese, Bobby Baldwin, and Stu Unger. All were talented and had plenty of gambling heart.

Chip Reese has remained a level headed gambler his entire life. He doesnt gamble for the sake of gambling only. He loves the challenge but will not take the short side of a bet just for the action alone. He may be hustled short term and lose but wont continue. He has been considered one of the all time winners. We dont know what his Bankroll is but it is likely substantial. He is extremely disciplined and doesnt do drugs or have other unhealthy habits.

Then you have Bobby Baldwin. I suspect he was like Chip Reese in his early days but moved on to the business side of things eventually. You can be certain as CEO of the Bellagio, he is extremely wealthy with huge stock options, a vast investment portfolio, and this 1k 2K is well within his means to put it simply. He is also extremely disciplined, doesnt do drugs, and has no unhealthy habits.

Finally you have Stu Unger. He was perhaps the most talented of the lot but was undisciplined, had no money management skills, was a degenerate gambler, did unhealthy drugs, ended up busted and dying alone in a dingy hotel. I cant think of a more pathetic existence.

The question for Brian Townsend is where he fits in here in this graph. He clearly is playing outside of his Bankroll. I dont care if he has 10 Million liquid dollars. He has lost almost 2 Million dollars the last two days. What will happen when he goes back online playing 200-400 again. Will it be boring for his action. How disciplined is he? These are the questions he needs to answer for himself.

DFSPON

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I like ABA I really hope this will be a wake up call for him. Ever since he start playing HSP in Vegas his online result wasn't that impressive. Maybe the $ playing online look too small for him now. It'll be tough for him to play on FTP the way he play before. Good luck ABA I hope you can overcome this. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[iveyleague24]

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Hey did anyone notice that 100 x 2k is 200,000 yet?

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apparently noone noticed that I was the first to notice. some sarcasm-detecting pooh-bah needs to write a PSA about sarcasm detection. or maybe i'm invisible...mwahahaha...in that case, jessica alba here i come.