High Stakes Poker thread 3/26 (Ivey and others)

[snelgrave]

another annoying comment about Gabe - why does he not slam ivey for playing too few hands (he only played like 2 or 3), but mock Jesus for playing too tight? (god forbid Jesus actually making money in a cash game)

[The_Taj]

HSP NEEDS Bart Hanson as the commentator for next season, and to get rid of this nobody Benza and annoying Kaplan.

I'm sure Ivey played more than 2 or 3 hands, because they only show the hands where there's some sort of action, im sure there were tons of hands in between the ones they showed where he raised, bet flop and took it down. I wish they would show every hand and have no commercials, or make it two hours long. Who the hell wants to watch the National Championships of 3-card poker anyways?

[BigSoonerFan]

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So how was the episode overall for those that watched? Worth staying up to catch the re-run at 2?

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Geez I dont know what to say. Maybe I`m expecting too much from this line up.
Phillllllllllllllll please explain that flush fold.
STUNNED!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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DW bet just over the pot size into 2 players I believe, and Ivey just thought there was no way a raise or a call was good for the situation. He basically put DW on a big hand AA-QQ. If he calls he's not getting the correct odds to draw or correct implied odds as he just doesn't think he's going to get paid off if he hits as his hand will not be disguised enough. Raising isn't such a bad play but he can't stand a re-raise all in and if DW has AA-QQ he will most likely 3 bet all in. I think many players don't appreciate how folding there is probably a better play than calling or raising. Plus stacks aren't deep enough for Ivey to make a big play.
Everyone happy?
Also, I thought Ivey played the QQ hand perfectly.

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And the summary to all of that is: Ivey thought there would be a better spot to get money from the donk (of this table).

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No, its not.

The summary is that Ivey thought that calling (or raising) was a -EV play.

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Imho, he could have thought it was a small EV play (either one), but like I said, wanted a better spot. If you think you're a much better player, then why play a pot for small EV when you can play a hand with big EV?

[kflop]

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another annoying comment about Gabe - why does he not slam ivey for playing too few hands (he only played like 2 or 3), but mock Jesus for playing too tight? (god forbid Jesus actually making money in a cash game)

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Ivey wasn't playing the whole show and was in at least two or three hands of a possible seven or eight. Gabe's too hard on Ivey, Gabe's too soft on Ivey. Some people just don't like Gabe. I really like him, most of the time.

In the Ivey flush draw hand. There's 9k in the pot, the flop is 832 two hearts. The original raiser DW bets 12k, Booth folds, Ivey has the king high flush draw with JD still behind him. JD had the small blind and called an extra $1,700 before the flop. It's possible of course (but very unlikely) that JD has a hand that he can call 12k with. If Ivey calls, it's going to be him against DW. I think that's what Gabe's comment was all about. If Ivey would have hit the flush, Williams would probably have paid off. If Ivey had the ace high flush draw, there's no doubt he has to call and I'm sure he would have.

[Fallen Hero]

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So how was the episode overall for those that watched? Worth staying up to catch the re-run at 2?

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Geez I dont know what to say. Maybe I`m expecting too much from this line up.
Phillllllllllllllll please explain that flush fold.
STUNNED!!!! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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DW bet just over the pot size into 2 players I believe, and Ivey just thought there was no way a raise or a call was good for the situation. He basically put DW on a big hand AA-QQ. If he calls he's not getting the correct odds to draw or correct implied odds as he just doesn't think he's going to get paid off if he hits as his hand will not be disguised enough. Raising isn't such a bad play but he can't stand a re-raise all in and if DW has AA-QQ he will most likely 3 bet all in. I think many players don't appreciate how folding there is probably a better play than calling or raising. Plus stacks aren't deep enough for Ivey to make a big play.
Everyone happy?
Also, I thought Ivey played the QQ hand perfectly.

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And the summary to all of that is: Ivey thought there would be a better spot to get money from the donk (of this table).

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No, its not.

The summary is that Ivey thought that calling (or raising) was a -EV play.

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Imho, he could have thought it was a small EV play (either one), but like I said, wanted a better spot. If you think you're a much better player, then why play a pot for small EV when you can play a hand with big EV?

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take a look at ssnl, nice forum, nice people

[Dynasty]

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...I'm pretty sure that this flop action was an exception and not the rule of that game.

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It was unusual. Here's the action.

Pot pre-flop: $1,700 ($600 big blind, $300 small blind, eight $100 antes).

David Williams raised to $2,00 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Brad Booth called with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Phil Ivey called with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Jon D'Agostino called in he small blind with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Pot: $9,400

The flop was: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

D'Agostino checked. Williams bet $12,000.

Booth folded. Ivey folded after about 12 seconds thought (on TV after Booth folded). Gabe Kaplan has a minor heart attack. D'Agostino folded.

Antonio Esfandiari comments about the new action table. Daniel Negreanu lements about his big fold of 85s which it seems he's never done before.

[Dynasty]

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If you think you're a much better player, then why play a pot for small EV when you can play a hand with big EV?

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You play the small EV pot because you'll still be able to play the big EV pot later.

[Dynasty]

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Anyone get why David Williams raised KJ on the turn on the 678J board? doesnt make any sense to me.

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He probably thought there was a good chance top pair was the best hand. Negreanu could easily be betting a striaght draw, spade flush draw, or a smaller pair (possibly with a draw).

There was $10,700 in the pot pre-flop. Negreanu bet $10,000 on the turn. Williams raised to a total of $25,000.

[Willy]

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Could there possibly be any truth to AJ's agent complaining to the network about Gabe's jokes at the beginning and end of the show? Seems like a bizarre thing to make up.


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Jesus, do you think this is unedited or something?

[kflop]

Here's an interesting question. What would most HSP players do with the Ivey's flush draw, knowing they're probably going to wind up alone in the pot with DW. My guesses

Eli-raise
Laak-call
Antonio-call
Daniel N-call
Doyle-call or fold
Jen-probably fold
Gold-raise
Harmetz-fold immediately
Sammy-raise 20k with a speech
Matasow- any of the above