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03-01-2007, 05:42 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The government is ultimately answerable to the people. [/ QUOTE ] lol [/ QUOTE ] Weak answer. [/ QUOTE ] what kind of 'answers' have you been accustomed to getting from 'the government'? 
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#132
03-01-2007, 05:45 PM
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Spoiled kiddie, far from it. I pay for my car and insurance my parents give me no financial support. I guess we should set up cameras all over to enforce laws of all type, that would be much safer for everyone. [/ QUOTE ] Kiddie enough to not understand an argument. I do not believe that the current implementation of speed limit laws are making things safer. If a cop catches you doing the same thing, would you cry as hard? It sounds like your only issue is the camera. If you wouldn't cry when a cop catches you speeding, I see no difference when they get a camera to do it. They are doing the same thing they did before, in a more efficient way. You didn't want this to turn into a debate about the merits of speed limit laws, or even how they could be used to enforce safety. I did argue that if the money was diverted away from the town/city/company putting up the cameras, they would probably then only be used for real issues of public safety. I have a lot of problems with the way speed limit laws are set up, but have no problems with those actually enforcing them.
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#133
03-01-2007, 05:46 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Excellent idea! When they crash, it'll be a gentle crash. [/ QUOTE ] We can also make it illegal to be out in public without big fluffy mittens on our hands (no more assault and battery injuries) I should rule the world i'm so smart. [/ QUOTE ] Dear Troll, I nowhere ever suggested such a thing. I simply said it would save lives. I never said it would be worth the costs to do so. If you were to drop the speed limit on all roads to 25 mph (and enforce it), there would be virtually no traffic fatalities. This disproves the notion that speed does not kill. Encforcing minimum speed limits or hanging out in the left lane MAY be just as effective as enforcing a 70mph speed limit (as two different possibilities). I am not denying this. [/ QUOTE ] I was mearly taking your assertions and expanding them to further reduce injuries and deaths. If your idea is 'good' why isn't my idea even better?
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#134
03-01-2007, 05:50 PM
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I am not going to argue with an adult who clearly knows everything. Yes my problem is with the camera, no I would not cry if a cop caught me that is the whole point. Sorry I agree with this guy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffersonian_democracy
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#135
03-01-2007, 06:01 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The government is ultimately answerable to the people. [/ QUOTE ] lol [/ QUOTE ] Weak answer. [/ QUOTE ] what kind of 'answers' have you been accustomed to getting from 'the government'? [/ QUOTE ] In most cases, due process. Otherwise, and perhaps more importantly, they feel obliged to at least give that appearance. Corruption is inevitable in any system, so it's better that those exercising power be forced to legally concede up front that their first obligation is to the people. A government under oath and law to uphold the rights of the people is a powerful tool, especially against the insatiable piracy of a would-be plutocracy.
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#136
03-01-2007, 06:04 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I prefer speed limits to an officer subjectively and arbitrarily judging an "unsafe" speed. I also agree that speed limits are usually too low. If they were raised, and a lower tolerance for speeding was enforced (no bs 7mph rule) that was objective, I don't see the problem. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with this is that the average motorist is always going to go slightly above the speed limit, and it can be unsafe to drive at strictly the speed limit when everyone else around you is going 3-18 m.p.h. faster. If speed limits were raised (say 5 m.p.h. increase) to adjust, as you suggest, motorists would simply themselves adjust to going 3-18 m.p.h. above that and the driver who is the strict observer of speed limits would still be in the hazardous position. [/ QUOTE ] Not if it was enforced without the subjectivity thats there today. People go 3-10 over because they will rarely get a ticket for it, even when driving past a cop. [/ QUOTE ] How the heck would you propose to completely eliminate subjectivity, though? Put Robocops at every intersection and every 200 yards on the highways? Another problem is that even that would not take into account such things as perfectly legitimate uses of extra speed, such as in avoiding a potential accident or in passing another vehicle.
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#137
03-01-2007, 06:13 PM
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Another problem is that even that would not take into account such things as perfectly legitimate uses of extra speed, such as in avoiding a potential accident or in passing another vehicle. [/ QUOTE ] And why wouldn't these be defenses to use in challenging the ticket?
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#138
03-01-2007, 06:15 PM
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Have you read any of my posts in other threads? [ QUOTE ] Will you all of a sudden drive like a dangerous and reckless person if these camera's are removed and police stop doing speed traps? [/ QUOTE ] What if we removed all speed limits? [/ QUOTE ] How has the Autobahn done in Germany all these decades (you've heard of the Autobahn, I presume)? Is it still major highway with no speed limit?
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#139
03-01-2007, 06:20 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Have you read any of my posts in other threads? [ QUOTE ] Will you all of a sudden drive like a dangerous and reckless person if these camera's are removed and police stop doing speed traps? [/ QUOTE ] What if we removed all speed limits? [/ QUOTE ] How has the Autobahn done in Germany all these decades (you've heard of the Autobahn, I presume)? Is it still major highway with no speed limit? [/ QUOTE ] The Autobahn is not analogous since it is tougher to get a license in Germany, for starters.
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#140
03-01-2007, 06:21 PM
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We have to change driver's behavior by having them stay in the correct lanes to avoid people like me swerving 2 or 3 lanes over to pass them. Speed is not the issue, but rather where the speeding is done.
And I did buy my car with that purpose in mind--stupid people abound especially on the roads, and especially driving SUV's and pickup trucks. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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