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#131
12-20-2006, 05:02 PM
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Re: Pro Bowl Players
tdarko,
I was kidding about the wins thing. I thought the 2nd part of my post explained there. You know, where I said Romo was the better QB but I just wanted Rex to be there. I really thought Rex would sneak into the pro bowl even though he did not deserve it as much as others. 
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#133
12-20-2006, 05:50 PM
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Re: Pro Bowl Players
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well passing statistics in general shouldnt be used as the almighty when discussing vick's value.... [/ QUOTE ] Which is why I included Vick's rushing DPAR. Without rushing, Vick ranks 37th in the NFL, in between Seneca Wallace and Charlie Frye. With rushing he's about 23rd in the NFL. [ QUOTE ] youre gonna put a guy in that hasnt played a full schedule, it better be mcnabb [/ QUOTE ] I'm fine with putting in McNabb over Romo... but Romo would be 4th and end up making the Pro Bowl anyway because McNabb can't play.
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#134
12-20-2006, 06:47 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Eric Parker is pretty damn good. Keenan McCardell is good. [/ QUOTE ] They're a very "meh" tandem at best. [/ QUOTE ] Omg, you just can't fathom the greatness of Eric "First Down Machine" Parker. The dood is money. The stats bear me out--he routinely is among the league leaders for catch%(and the more abstract DVOA). He is not a big play guy and we throw to our TE/RB more than any other team, so to a cursory glance he looks just like any other fill in. McCardell is still pretty good.
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#135
12-20-2006, 06:54 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think you're wrong about Gore. Watch him play first please. [/ QUOTE ] I've seen him play a few times this year thank you. He is awesome - I even said so in this thread. But I would love to see some proof that Gore is worth more value than Westbrook. [/ QUOTE ] Ok Pokerfink, I'm going to tackle this one. I can't say he is more valuable then Westbrook overall, but I think he is more valuable as a rusher. [/ QUOTE ] Your analysis leaves out fumbles(or fumbles/touch). If we look strictly at lost fumbles(Gore 6 to Westbrook's 2), Gore has cost the 49ers ~16-18.5 points by losing fumbles 6 times instead of 2.
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#136
12-20-2006, 07:24 PM
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Re: Pro Bowl Players
Shh, I know that hurts my argument. That is why I ignored that stat [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
That and because someone said in this thread that Gore has only fumbled once since week 5, so maybe he learned how to hold on to the ball.
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#137
12-20-2006, 07:44 PM
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That and because someone said in this thread that Gore has only fumbled once since week 5, so maybe he learned how to hold on to the ball. [/ QUOTE ] So what does that have to do with his value this year? Hint: nothing. I don't know that it's greatly relevant for future years, TBH.
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#139
12-20-2006, 09:31 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think you're wrong about Gore. Watch him play first please. [/ QUOTE ] I've seen him play a few times this year thank you. He is awesome - I even said so in this thread. But I would love to see some proof that Gore is worth more value than Westbrook. [/ QUOTE ] Ok Pokerfink, I'm going to tackle this one. I can't say he is more valuable then Westbrook overall, but I think he is more valuable as a rusher. [/ QUOTE ] Your analysis leaves out fumbles(or fumbles/touch). If we look strictly at lost fumbles(Gore 6 to Westbrook's 2), Gore has cost the 49ers ~16-18.5 points by losing fumbles 6 times instead of 2. [/ QUOTE ] teams average over a FG per fumble? since FO counts all fumbles, not just the ones lost, that seeems pretty high
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#140
12-20-2006, 09:40 PM
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Re: Pro Bowl Players
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[ QUOTE ] If we look strictly at lost fumbles(Gore 6 to Westbrook's 2), Gore has cost the 49ers ~16-18.5 points by losing fumbles 6 times instead of 2. [/ QUOTE ] teams average over a FG per fumble? since FO counts all fumbles, not just the ones lost, that seeems pretty high [/ QUOTE ] I was strictly going by fumbles lost(Gore 7 fumbles, 6 lost. Westbrook 2 fumbles, 2 lost). A lost fumble costs at least 4 points. The uncollapsed wave function of the fumble costs less. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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