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#1362
10-06-2007, 10:23 PM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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You should be calling 3-bets more than that? [/ QUOTE ] Don't you...? I honestly don't know if I'm getting leveled or not since I'm so new cash and especially to this 6-max thing... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] 
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#1363
10-06-2007, 10:58 PM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No significant reads. Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $64.90 Hero (BB): $61.30 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) SB calls $0.15, Hero checks Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero What's the plan? [/ QUOTE ] Depends on how aggro the villain is. If he likes to re-raise leads, I'd maybe 3-bet here. If you don't have a reason to believe he's going to fold a lot, I would not 3-bet. You'll get called and then be in a more difficult spot going to the turn while cutting down on your implied odds. So, I'd usually just call here. I'd call up to a PSB on the turn because you have a tonne of equity. [/ QUOTE ] I did call, but was thinking later because we're 200 BBs deep that 3-betting to build a big pot might be better in case I hit. I really dont have a great idea where im at in the hand at this point, but I might have 15 outs here. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] This line of thinking is far superior than a call.
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#1364
10-06-2007, 11:05 PM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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[ QUOTE ] You should be calling 3-bets more than that? [/ QUOTE ] Don't you...? I honestly don't know if I'm getting leveled or not since I'm so new cash and especially to this 6-max thing... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Well, you can call looser, if you are being 3-bet looser. But, it's not like it happens a tonne. I've been running so good lately, that I've been a little over confident. So, I have messed around a little more against 3-bets and it's just been spew. Honestly, it's not that often that every thing lines up right for a loose call of a 3-bet. For one, you have to be in position. So, usually it's button vs blinds. Then, it has to be something that can flop something decent a good amount of the time. A pp, sc or Axs. So, what percent of hands is that? I dunno, but I'm raising like 30-40% from the button so even calling with pp, sc and Axs, I'm not calling that often. Calling 3-bets loosely is a leak for a lot of regular tags. Last night I played a session where I 3-bet 3-times in >100 hands. First 3-bet I got looked up by A5s, second 3-bet I got 4-bet and folded, and my final 3-bet a stacked a guy with my AA. What am I illustrating? I got action on every 3-bet, even though I was not 3-betting light after my first light 3-bet got looked up.
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#1365
10-06-2007, 11:08 PM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No significant reads. Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $64.90 Hero (BB): $61.30 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) SB calls $0.15, Hero checks Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero What's the plan? [/ QUOTE ] Depends on how aggro the villain is. If he likes to re-raise leads, I'd maybe 3-bet here. If you don't have a reason to believe he's going to fold a lot, I would not 3-bet. You'll get called and then be in a more difficult spot going to the turn while cutting down on your implied odds. So, I'd usually just call here. I'd call up to a PSB on the turn because you have a tonne of equity. [/ QUOTE ] I did call, but was thinking later because we're 200 BBs deep that 3-betting to build a big pot might be better in case I hit. I really dont have a great idea where im at in the hand at this point, but I might have 15 outs here. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] This line of thinking is far superior than a call. [/ QUOTE ] I dunno, I find getting called oop, with a combo draw that misses on turn to be one of my least favourite spots to be in. I don't think it's bad, but I certainly want to think he folds a good % of the time for me to be building a pot oop.
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#1366
10-06-2007, 11:13 PM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No significant reads. Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $64.90 Hero (BB): $61.30 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) SB calls $0.15, Hero checks Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero What's the plan? [/ QUOTE ] Depends on how aggro the villain is. If he likes to re-raise leads, I'd maybe 3-bet here. If you don't have a reason to believe he's going to fold a lot, I would not 3-bet. You'll get called and then be in a more difficult spot going to the turn while cutting down on your implied odds. So, I'd usually just call here. I'd call up to a PSB on the turn because you have a tonne of equity. [/ QUOTE ] I did call, but was thinking later because we're 200 BBs deep that 3-betting to build a big pot might be better in case I hit. I really dont have a great idea where im at in the hand at this point, but I might have 15 outs here. Thoughts? [/ QUOTE ] This line of thinking is far superior than a call. [/ QUOTE ] no, because its going to be impossible to get all in on the flop for 200BBs in a limped pot unless your equity sucks, so just see a cheap turn.
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#1367
10-07-2007, 12:09 AM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You should be calling 3-bets more than that? [/ QUOTE ] Don't you...? I honestly don't know if I'm getting leveled or not since I'm so new cash and especially to this 6-max thing... [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Well, you can call looser, if you are being 3-bet looser. But, it's not like it happens a tonne. I've been running so good lately, that I've been a little over confident. So, I have messed around a little more against 3-bets and it's just been spew. Honestly, it's not that often that every thing lines up right for a loose call of a 3-bet. For one, you have to be in position. So, usually it's button vs blinds. Then, it has to be something that can flop something decent a good amount of the time. A pp, sc or Axs. So, what percent of hands is that? I dunno, but I'm raising like 30-40% from the button so even calling with pp, sc and Axs, I'm not calling that often. Calling 3-bets loosely is a leak for a lot of regular tags. Last night I played a session where I 3-bet 3-times in >100 hands. First 3-bet I got looked up by A5s, second 3-bet I got 4-bet and folded, and my final 3-bet a stacked a guy with my AA. What am I illustrating? I got action on every 3-bet, even though I was not 3-betting light after my first light 3-bet got looked up. [/ QUOTE ] I think we're on the same page actually. Assuming the effective stacks are big enough, all PP's even OOP, and some suited connectors and suited aces IP. (I don't even bother calling 3-bets with suited Aces unless it's a small 3-bet.) My point in the other hand was it seems like at NL25 most villains are not calling 3-bets without at least TT or better and AK, which is why I checked behind on the turn. It's sort of strange actually that their range for calling 3-bets is so tight because their range for calling a single raise is huge.
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#1369
10-07-2007, 04:16 AM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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Villain is 38/8 in few hands. No post flop #s yet. Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 3 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $64.55 BB: $28.65 Hero (BTN): $34.10 Pre-Flop: T  J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75 Flop: ($3.15) 9 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $1.80</font>, Hero calls $1.80, SB folds Turn: ($6.75) 7  (2 Players)<font color="red">BB bets $5.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero [/ QUOTE ] Call.
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#1370
10-07-2007, 04:18 AM
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Re: getting myself into trouble again
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No significant reads. Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players LegoPoker Hand History Converter SB: $64.90 Hero (BB): $61.30 Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) SB calls $0.15, Hero checks Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero What's the plan? [/ QUOTE ] Call and await developments, you're too deep to reraise. Also none of your draws are nut draws.
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