** Official June Chat Thread: The Flush **

[the_main]

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dont mean to be a nit, but those of you who think you're 3+ptbb winners haven't experienced the dark side of variance or are ignoring it when determining results. a few 50k hand stretches where big winners are standard losers will really decimate the winrate of a sub 500k sample.

or maybe someday i'll be winning at 3+ptbb. that will take a very long time though since my only couple 100k hands played have been infected with many heavy coolers. sometimes i think that maybe i just suck, but it doesn't seem that's the case because i've been trying hard for a long while, and a seemingly disproportionately large amount of my deep pots where i got in good were lost, and only a small percentage of my deep pots i got it in bad. didn't The Main go on an 80k breakeven stretch at 1/2? that must've annihilated his winrate when evaluated next to the previous and latter 80k hand stretches.

anyways, i guess im saying it'd be nice to see large, substantial samples when claiming how great of winners you guys are. if 1p0kerboy may be + or - $10,000 after 1mil hands (im guessing that'll be somewhere between 1/10th-1/15th actual money won) then variance at the 100k mark must be ginormous.

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Yeah I had a 100k and 50 or 60k breakeven pretty close together back in January. I have a 600k+ DB, and it hurt my rate a lot. I'm still around 2.5ish though.

I've made some changes to my style and game selection, and my rate is rising quickly (6ptbb this month so far).

[D.L.M.]

me and hank muck are doin HU matches now for round 4 or whatever

[Jeff76]

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Do you happen to have any read on players other than there PA hud stats ?

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No. At $50NL you don't need any more than that. Maybe not at $100NL either.

[/ QUOTE ]It is true that you don't NEED more than that, but you can increase your BB/100 with reads even at 50NL. I realize that if you can 12 table then this really doesn't matter, as you are making enough per hour to compensate for the opportunities missed; however, for lesser mere mortals who only play one or two tables, ignoring reads on other players at NL50 will decrease your win rate.

(I say this for the benefit of players new to NL50 who might read this and come away with "Cry says reads don't matter at 50NL, so I'm not going to even try".)

[chicken10der]

[censored] [censored] electrical jesus [censored] [censored] banana [censored]

I lost a full stack to an 11/1 that PFRd. It took top set over middle set. I get so pissed when I'm forced to pay off sub-3 PFRers. One of the few things that can make me vent to an online community.

[D.L.M.]

hes up 1-0 about to be 2-0 he plays funny

PokerStars Game #10523341296: Tournament #53308645, $0.01+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (5/10) - 2007/06/19 - 23:29:12 (ET)
Table '53308645 1' 2-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: zachary muk (1866 in chips)
Seat 2: supreme20 (2134 in chips)
supreme20: posts small blind 5
zachary muk: posts big blind 10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to supreme20 [7d 3c]
supreme20: raises 20 to 30
zachary muk: calls 20
*** FLOP *** [4c 5c 7s]
zachary muk: checks
supreme20: bets 40
zachary muk: calls 40
*** TURN *** [4c 5c 7s] [6c]
zachary muk: bets 30
supreme20: raises 140 to 170
zachary muk: calls 140
*** RIVER *** [4c 5c 7s 6c] [9d]
zachary muk: checks
supreme20: bets 1894 and is all-in
zachary muk said, "ok here we go again"
zachary muk said, "you just trying to get this over with?"
zachary muk: calls 1626 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
supreme20: shows [7d 3c] (a straight, Three to Seven)
zachary muk: shows [8c Th] (a straight, Six to Ten)
zachary muk collected 3732 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3732 | Rake 0
Board [4c 5c 7s 6c 9d]
Seat 1: zachary muk (big blind) showed [8c Th] and won (3732) with a straight, Six to Ten
Seat 2: supreme20 (button) (small blind) showed [7d 3c] and lost with a straight, Three to Seven

[Cry Me A River]

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wtf, are you seriously trying to play 24 tables? That's ridiculous. Why don't you try and play 4-6 tables and become a much better player?

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Because its cool.

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Testify!

[GrandMelon]

My gf is talking to me on AIM so Im only 7 tabling and man is this relaxing.

[crucialshipment]

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The reasoning behind this play is subtle, but you did what i wanted you to do. too bad your draw was that strong

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you must think im pretty bad. your call says you have a strong hand. if im a donkey i guess maybe i continue on with a pair. only hands i see pushing beat you or ace high flush draw, for the most part.

what would you have done if i call and scare card comes?

[Cry Me A River]

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(I say this for the benefit of players new to NL50 who might read this and come away with "Cry says reads don't matter at 50NL, so I'm not going to even try".)

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lol - You're right, of course, I'm playing for quantity not quality. I beat $50NL for over 3PTBB/100 while 12 tabling, I'd certainly increase that if I dropped tables and made better reads but not enough to make up for the added earn of all the extra tables.

[D.L.M.]

2-1 him
PokerStars Game #10523604617: Tournament #53308708, $0.01+$0.00 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (5/10) - 2007/06/19 - 23:47:16 (ET)
Table '53308708 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: supreme20 (3250 in chips)
Seat 2: zachary muk (750 in chips)
supreme20: posts small blind 5
zachary muk: posts big blind 10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to supreme20 [Kc Qc]
supreme20: raises 30 to 40
zachary muk: raises 60 to 100
supreme20: calls 60
*** FLOP *** [4s 2c 6d]
zachary muk: bets 140
supreme20: raises 3010 to 3150 and is all-in
zachary muk: calls 510 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [4s 2c 6d] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [4s 2c 6d Qd] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
zachary muk: shows [6h As] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
supreme20: shows [Kc Qc] (two pair, Queens and Deuces)
supreme20 collected 1500 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1500 | Rake 0
Board [4s 2c 6d Qd 2s]
Seat 1: supreme20 (button) (small blind) showed [Kc Qc] and won (1500) with two pair, Queens and Deuces
Seat 2: zachary muk (big blind) showed [6h As] and lost with two pair, Sixes and Deuces