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check/call 1 8.33%
bet/call 5 41.67%
bet/3b 5 41.67%
check/raise 1 8.33%
bet/fold (NITS) 0 0%
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  #1321  
Old 10-06-2007, 12:40 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Is a call on the river crazy given the missed draws? any other comments welcome as well


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UTG ($64.40)
Hero ($64.60)
Button ($49.75)
SB ($58.90)
BB ($29.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2</font>, Button calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $9.5</font>, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($23.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

River: ($23.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $15</font>, Hero

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why did you just call the flop raise?
i probly bet the river as played.
actually c/f seems better.
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:43 PM
Pasterbator Pasterbator is offline
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Default Re: getting myself into trouble again

cleinen, fold to that flop raise all day.

As played, i probably call the river, but i hate getting there.
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Old 10-06-2007, 12:55 PM
cha59 cha59 is offline
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Is this a good spot to try to get a T to fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $61.15
SB: $41.35
BB: $29.15
Hero (UTG): $56.70
CO: $82.70

Pre-Flop: 8 8 dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) K T 7 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:00 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Default Re: getting myself into trouble again

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Is this a good spot to try to get a T to fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $61.15
SB: $41.35
BB: $29.15
Hero (UTG): $56.70
CO: $82.70

Pre-Flop: 8 8 dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) K T 7 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>

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why didn't you lead the flop?
what hand with a T is he folding?
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:01 PM
cha59 cha59 is offline
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Default Re: getting myself into trouble again

Villain is crazy and 75/25 preflop.

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LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $20.70
UTG: $31.25
CO: $12
Hero (BTN): $56.15
SB: $33.15

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) 9 T 9 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $5</font>, BB folds, Hero - What's the plan?
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:04 PM
dipstikdave dipstikdave is offline
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Villain is crazy and 75/25 preflop.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BB: $20.70
UTG: $31.25
CO: $12
Hero (BTN): $56.15
SB: $33.15

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) 9 T 9 (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $2.50</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $5</font>, BB folds, Hero - What's the plan?

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if he's crazy postflop as well, i'd reraise and get it in on a safe turn, otherwise i try to get to showdown cheap.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:07 PM
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Villain is 38/8 in few hands. No post flop #s yet.

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SB: $64.55
BB: $28.65
Hero (BTN): $34.10

Pre-Flop: T J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.15) 9 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, <font color="red">BB bets $1.80</font>, Hero calls $1.80, SB folds

Turn: ($6.75) 7 (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $5.10</font>, <font color="red">Hero
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:10 PM
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Cha, here's my 2 cents without any reads:

I'm not sure why you put him on a T since he could be betting anything on the turn. I would c-bet that flop virtually all the time. You probably have the best hand but its vulnerable to a lot of cards so you're betting for protection more than value. Once you check the flop his lead on the turn doesn't define his hand at all IMO.

As played I would check behind on the river. I can see repping the Ace if you have some reason to think you're behind and can fold out a better hand, but your hand has showdown value as played and you're turning it into a bluff.
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:15 PM
cha59 cha59 is offline
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Is this a good spot to try to get a T to fold?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

BTN: $61.15
SB: $41.35
BB: $29.15
Hero (UTG): $56.70
CO: $82.70

Pre-Flop: 8 8 dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.05</font>, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) K T 7 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.25) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">BB bets $1</font>, Hero calls $1

River: ($4.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $3.50</font>

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why didn't you lead the flop?

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Good question on the flop. I am trying to force myself to c-bet less because I do it way too often. This is probably a good c-bet spot though.

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what hand with a T is he folding?

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One that doesn't contain an A or a K?

At the time it seemed like he played this like he had a T. Is the A on the river going to scare him often enough or is this a bad place to bluff?
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  #1330  
Old 10-06-2007, 01:27 PM
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No significant reads.

Full Tilt Poker, $0.15/$0.30 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 2 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

SB: $64.90
Hero (BB): $61.30

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB)
SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.60) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $0.60</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $1.20</font>, Hero

What's the plan?
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