***Official May Non-Nit Chat Thread*** - Page 130

Jurrr · #**1291** 05-24-2007, 02:47 AM

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going to start folding all my AA and KK for a few weeks[ QUOTE ]
Hrmm ur opponent gave u plenty of reasons to fold.

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[/ QUOTE ]I think the hand is fine given stack sizes except I lead for more on the flop with the drawy board and stuff.

The only way to find a fold is if turn is a J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] or maybe any other [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] instead of what it was.

bottomset · #**1292** 05-24-2007, 03:44 AM

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laying down 5.5:1 overpair vs a 65BB tard = -ev

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totally agree

only way his preflop call isn't massively -EV is if he can get you to fold overpairs

1p0kerboy · #**1293** 05-24-2007, 07:55 AM

Ofiicial LOST thread.

the_main · #**1294** 05-24-2007, 10:34 AM

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LOST

Wow. I am stunned. Charlie appears to be dead. I think they get off the island and Jack develops problems sometime in the future.

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ugh dont do these things -- i'm about to d/l the show and watch. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

grouchie · #**1295** 05-24-2007, 01:26 PM

both of these happened at the same time...
First one I only do rarely, but its always fun for me.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($123.30)
MP3 ($62.15)
CO ($106.65)
Button ($77)
SB ($64.15)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($94.50)
UTG+1 ($126.80)
MP1 ($72.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $40, BB raises to $46, Hero raises to $76, BB raises to $85.7, Hero calls $9.70.

Flop: ($171.90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($171.90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($171.90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $171.90

Results in white below: 
BB has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Hero has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $171.90. 

I don't take this line very often eithor...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP2 ($80.35)
Hero ($104.35)
Button ($45.65)
SB ($61.65)
BB ($191.70)
UTG ($94.20)
UTG+1 ($36.90)
MP1 ($62.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, SB calls $4.50, BB raises to $14, MP1 folds, Hero calls $9, SB calls $9.

Flop: ($43) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $25, Hero raises to $50, SB folds, BB raises to $177.7, Hero calls $40.35 (All-In).

Turn: ($311.05) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($311.05) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $311.05

Results in white below: 
BB has Kh Kd (one pair, kings).
Hero has As Ah (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $223.70. BB wins $87.35.

the_main · #**1296** 05-24-2007, 01:55 PM

ty zeebo -- quality value shove

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

the_main (SB): $382.00
BB: $218.50
UTG: $105.40
UTG+1: $500.00
MP1: $320.60
MP2: $305.00
CO: $197.40
BTN: $124.90

Preflop: the_main is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8 Players)
5 folds, BTN calls $4.00, the_main calls $2.00, BB checks

Flop: ($12) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
the_main checks, BB checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($12) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
the_main bets $12.00, BB calls $12.00, BTN calls $12.00

River: ($48) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
the_main bets all-in for $366.00, BB calls all-in for $202.50, BTN folds
Uncalled bet of $163.50 returned to the_main

Pot Size: $453.00 ($3 Rake)

BB had 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and LOST (-$218.50)
the_main had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a full house, Kings full of Jacks) and WON (+$231.50)

Body Man D · #**1297** 05-24-2007, 02:14 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($123.30)
MP3 ($62.15)
CO ($106.65)
Button ($77)
SB ($64.15)
BB ($49.70)
UTG ($94.50)
UTG+1 ($126.80)
MP1 ($72.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 4 folds, BB raises to $10, Hero raises to $16, BB raises to $22, Hero raises to $40, BB raises to $46, Hero raises to $76, BB raises to $85.7, Hero calls $9.70.

Flop: ($171.90) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($171.90) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($171.90) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $171.90

Results in white below: 
BB has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Hero has Ah Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $171.90. 

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Shouldn't this hand go in the minbet forum?? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Cry Me A River · #**1298** 05-24-2007, 02:26 PM

Usually these are pretty underwhelming because they only result in small pots.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($71.25)
UTG ($108.30)
MP ($54.20)
Button ($50)
SB ($47.50)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises to $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($2.25) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $8.5, Hero calls $6.50.

Turn: ($19.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $14.5, Hero raises to $29, Button raises to $40.5, Hero calls $11.50.

River: ($100.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $100.25

Results in white below:
Hero has Tc Jc (straight flush, ace high).
Button has Ad Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $100.25.

BT2 · #**1299** 05-24-2007, 02:35 PM

i think i am going to have over 100,000 by this time next year

1p0kerboy · #**1300** 05-24-2007, 03:21 PM

Been thinking about something lately. Here's my Sklansky Bucks calculator results from this week:

found 100 headsup allin situations
won: 50 lost: 45 tied: 5
average potsize: 77.57$
average ev: 0.5470
money won: 3745.10$
money expected (based on allin equity): 4387.17$
money difference: -642.07$
max money diff: 2007-05-21 09:59:29-04 at +12.08$
min money diff: 2007-05-24 14:48:06-04 at -642.07$
total_bet: 3832.45$

You can see here that I'm down about $640 that I shouldn't be.

When I run the results on my entire sample of hands from this year, it is much worse than this.

The only other player I know to experience this kind of downturn over a big sample is MTTR.

Ironically, or maybe not quite so, we are two of the highest volume players on PokerStars. I don't know of anybody who plays as many hands as him or me.

I'm not crying foul just yet, but if there is something wrong with the integrity of Stars' games then they need to fix it; especially with all of these new programs coming out that can measure certain variables of both short and long term luck.

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