WPT Season 4: Doyle Brunson North American Poker Championship (4/12) - Page 13

private joker · #**121** 04-14-2006, 08:45 PM

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The guys on TV called Minh Ly "Lee", but Doyle called him "Lie". So which is it?

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They constantly called him MING LEE and its pronounced "min lie". Fck, there isn't even a G in his first name, how did they get MING??

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You're absolutely wrong, Photoc.

A lot of idiots in this thread should just chill out and stop trying to pretend they know how to pronounce Minh Ly. They don't. Doyle's wrong, most of this thread is wrong.

Mike Sexton is right, and so is Ming Ly, who, like Sexton, pronounces his own name correctly.

"ming-lee"

Chinese names when converted to the English alphabet often don't read phonetically, and that confuses ignorant Americans. For example, the dog shih-tzu is pronounced "sher-dza" but that's hardly common knowledge.

The moral of the story is: learn what you're talking about before you arrogantly laugh at professionals who have clearly done more research than you have.

chicken10der · #**122** 04-14-2006, 09:11 PM

The WPT announcers are not infallible - in the season 1 championship, they called Alan Goehring as "gare-ing" instead of "go-ring" the whole way through, including the ending presentation.

I always thought it was "Men Lie", but I have no idea where I heard that originally. I didn't hear him say his own name during the show, so I guess I missed that part.

Sincerely,
idiot American

ShakeZula06 · #**123** 04-15-2006, 03:09 AM

I have a theory about this. I don't know the prize structure b/c I just watched the show when I could as I was playing online. Anyways, let's say the differnce between 1st and 6th is $950,000, or 137.5 BBs at 4K-8K (1mil first, 50K for 6th, just estimate) is it possible that a big game player like Ming Ly may purposely make a mistake or two that may be only slighty -EV or maybe give off some obvious tell so that he can pwn someone with it later in the big cash games he plays? I have seen this type of thing from several big cash game players.

For instance Todd Brunson was considerably stressed in a WSOP final table where the winner would get around 600K (not the one he won, the event TJ won and he got like 8th or 7th). However he's a regular in the big game, and HSP.and many players from the big game have siad it's impossible for him to tilt and he's basically emotionless. Hell he played in Andy Beals game too. I find it wierd he would look so drained emotionally and he was real pestimistic. Same thing goes for David Benyamine when he was on the WPT.

ShakeZula06 · #**124** 04-15-2006, 03:16 AM

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I'm guess you don't play many tournaments or SNG's at least. The blinds were insanely huge. He was playing with a push/fold strategy, fairly common in these types of situations. He was playing a correct strategy given the situation. Just because he put a few bad beats on people when everyone at the table has 10-15BB each doesn't make him a donkey.

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I actually DO play in quite a bit of tourney style games...it's my preferred game in fact...and a couple of those hands were suspect. The one that sticks out is him pushing with J2o or J3o....something ridiculously bad like that. Bad paint, no flush or straight ops...just bad. Preflop on the button. I just don't get it. You're only gonna get called by something that beats you. Sexton even said that at one point. I do understand the strategy...and employ it heads up...but with slightly better cards than that. Any Ace...any pair...suited connectors...something better than some of the weird hands he pushed with.

You could tell Harrington was thinking the same thing by the look on his face...he knew the guy was off his rocker with the aggression.

And I don't think he's a donkey...you don't cash like he does being a donkey...I personally just think that it was a situation where, like most of those big game players where it's not about the money so much as making a name or a splash on TV...or maybe he was getting bored. He doesn't need the money(I would hope). He IS in the biggest games...cashes in the WSOP and is a WPT Champion.

He just did it in a way that baffled me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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I don't think you understand expected value or fold equity at all,

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cbloom · #**125** 04-15-2006, 11:56 AM

I wonder if they made a deal. Harrington likes to make deals when tourneys turn into crap-shoots.

thedarknight · #**126** 04-15-2006, 01:04 PM

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I have a theory about this. I don't know the prize structure b/c I just watched the show when I could as I was playing online. Anyways, let's say the differnce between 1st and 6th is $950,000, or 137.5 BBs at 4K-8K (1mil first, 50K for 6th, just estimate) is it possible that a big game player like Ming Ly may purposely make a mistake or two that may be only slighty -EV or maybe give off some obvious tell so that he can pwn someone with it later in the big cash games he plays? I have seen this type of thing from several big cash game players.

For instance Todd Brunson was considerably stressed in a WSOP final table where the winner would get around 600K (not the one he won, the event TJ won and he got like 8th or 7th). However he's a regular in the big game, and HSP.and many players from the big game have siad it's impossible for him to tilt and he's basically emotionless. Hell he played in Andy Beals game too. I find it wierd he would look so drained emotionally and he was real pestimistic. Same thing goes for David Benyamine when he was on the WPT. 

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are you effing serious?
i guess when a big game cash pro makes it to the final table of the wsop i'll bypass 10 mill so i can win a couple more bets at the big game.

sounds terrific.

thedarknight · #**127** 04-15-2006, 01:05 PM

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I wonder if they made a deal. Harrington likes to make deals when tourneys turn into crap-shoots.

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i don't think the WPT allows deals. Tho Mike Sexton has actually vouched for deals. The players put up their own entry fees they should be allowed to do what they want with the prize money as well. The WPT is just filled with Nazis what do they care about the players.

#**128** 04-15-2006, 03:47 PM

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Who the hell is this "Ming Lee" those two morons keep refering to?

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That's how you pronounce Minh Ly moron.

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Exactly. If people listened to his interview, it's how he pronounced his own name. Doyle even mispronounced his name during his interview and he's a good friend of his.

SharkTank43 · #**129** 04-15-2006, 04:06 PM

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I'm guess you don't play many tournaments or SNG's at least. The blinds were insanely huge. He was playing with a push/fold strategy, fairly common in these types of situations. He was playing a correct strategy given the situation. Just because he put a few bad beats on people when everyone at the table has 10-15BB each doesn't make him a donkey.

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I actually DO play in quite a bit of tourney style games...it's my preferred game in fact...and a couple of those hands were suspect. The one that sticks out is him pushing with J2o or J3o....something ridiculously bad like that. Bad paint, no flush or straight ops...just bad. Preflop on the button. I just don't get it. You're only gonna get called by something that beats you. Sexton even said that at one point. I do understand the strategy...and employ it heads up...but with slightly better cards than that. Any Ace...any pair...suited connectors...something better than some of the weird hands he pushed with.

You could tell Harrington was thinking the same thing by the look on his face...he knew the guy was off his rocker with the aggression.

And I don't think he's a donkey...you don't cash like he does being a donkey...I personally just think that it was a situation where, like most of those big game players where it's not about the money so much as making a name or a splash on TV...or maybe he was getting bored. He doesn't need the money(I would hope). He IS in the biggest games...cashes in the WSOP and is a WPT Champion.

He just did it in a way that baffled me. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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You don't know what your talking about.

ShakeZula06 · #**130** 04-15-2006, 04:10 PM

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I have a theory about this. I don't know the prize structure b/c I just watched the show when I could as I was playing online. Anyways, let's say the differnce between 1st and 6th is $950,000, or 137.5 BBs at 4K-8K (1mil first, 50K for 6th, just estimate) is it possible that a big game player like Ming Ly may purposely make a mistake or two that may be only slighty -EV or maybe give off some obvious tell so that he can pwn someone with it later in the big cash games he plays? I have seen this type of thing from several big cash game players.

For instance Todd Brunson was considerably stressed in a WSOP final table where the winner would get around 600K (not the one he won, the event TJ won and he got like 8th or 7th). However he's a regular in the big game, and HSP.and many players from the big game have siad it's impossible for him to tilt and he's basically emotionless. Hell he played in Andy Beals game too. I find it wierd he would look so drained emotionally and he was real pestimistic. Same thing goes for David Benyamine when he was on the WPT. 

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are you effing serious?
i guess when a big game cash pro makes it to the final table of the wsop i'll bypass 10 mill so i can win a couple more bets at the big game.

sounds terrific.

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10 millions a lot different then 1 million. Say one one TV hand he makes a decison that costs him $24K, and MS and VVP are like "wow what a bad mov by ming!" Don't you think he could use that to make him at least 3 BBs?

Why else are the acclaimed emotionless players who frequent the big cash games so stressed and look like they play like complete donks as others have said?