how can this NOT be collusion?

[mmcd]

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also, I think another piece of evidence that could be added to the mix is their cashout history. If they have both begun to cashout lots since discovering this thread and are usually the type who very rarely cashout, it would be a good sign that they are scared of their accts being locked. However, if they are colluding then they probably already forsaw the possibilty of getting caught and have been cashing out slowly and consistently.


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The hands certainly indicate that they're colluding, but cashouts wouldn't prove anything. Regardless of whether or not they're colluding, the fact that the accusation is out there is probably enough to cause them to take most of thier money off that site.

If UB is smart, they should at the very least block all cashouts from those 2 accounts until this thing is resolved.

[Erik W]

Why UB will never admit collusion exists.

1. A rough estimate 2000 players average seated(300 tables) x 70 hands/ hour x 1 dollar rake per hand = 0.5Millon dollars in profit every day.

2. If one rich player would be accused of collusion and he decided to sue there will be a many years PR nightmare for them and no more 0.5M$ / day profit.

3. UB knows how easy it is to start new accounts so even banning them will do no good.

4. They have to say playing is safe and collusion doesn't exist otherwise it will hurt their business.

[mmcd]

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If one rich player would be accused of collusion and he decided to sue there will be a many years PR night mare for them and no more 0.5M$ / day profit.


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Sue them where?

These sites can do pretty much whatever they want to, and individual players wouldn't have any recourse (other than whatever bad publicity they can generate).

[NYplayer]

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all the hh's show these two in the hand together. how often does one of them fold preflop when the other is in the hand?


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i said that i would bet that they are not coluding because of the 250 hands i played with them these are the only suspicious ones. and in some i posted they had a clear opportunity to bet someone out but didn't. one or the other folds pf plenty as well.

[daryn]

"one rich player decided to sue"



please excuse me while i LOLOLOOLOOLOLOLOLOL

[NLSoldier]

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also, I think another piece of evidence that could be added to the mix is their cashout history. If they have both begun to cashout lots since discovering this thread and are usually the type who very rarely cashout, it would be a good sign that they are scared of their accts being locked. However, if they are colluding then they probably already forsaw the possibilty of getting caught and have been cashing out slowly and consistently.


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The hands certainly indicate that they're colluding, but cashouts wouldn't prove anything. Regardless of whether or not they're colluding, the fact that the accusation is out there is probably enough to cause them to take most of thier money off that site.

If UB is smart, they should at the very least block all cashouts from those 2 accounts until this thing is resolved.

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Im not saying cashouts are going to prove anything. Im just saying they could be a little additional evidence in the case against these guys.

If neither had cashed out in months and then suddenly they both cashed out a lot within a few hrs of eachother and within a few hrs of either the start of this thread or savagegambles post in this thread or whatever, it could be somewhat telling.

[flawless_victory]

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Wow, I looked through all the hand histories, and quite a few of them look pretty bad. If I was piejay, I would be pissed.

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3 or 4 of those hands look TERRIBLE

[DcifrThs]

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all the hh's show these two in the hand together. how often does one of them fold preflop when the other is in the hand?


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i said that i would bet that they are not coluding because of the 250 hands i played with them these are the only suspicious ones. and in some i posted they had a clear opportunity to bet someone out but didn't. one or the other folds pf plenty as well.

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how much do you think they expect to earn by colluding every 1 in 10 chances?

how much do you think they expect to earn by colluding 10 in 10 chances?

how much do you think they expect to earn by colluding 0?

which is > over 50k hands?

Barron

[Erik W]

Every country has it laws.
They would not sue to win money.
They would sue to [censored] with the sites because they got pissed off.

If they get some major newspaper to pick up on it they would
create a PR nightmare for UB.

It is a known fact that companies and people sue for other reasons than to get money. There is law firms that get 100% money from their clients for that.

Everyone knows they won't get a dime.

[DcifrThs]

get on ultimate buddy w/ every person in the bigger games and tell them NOT to play when hongbird and dumbanimal are at a table.

let the games dry up and force them to change accts or stop colluding.

then watch every hand very carefully.

or dont play at all.

Barron