Event #39 - 50K HORSE

[Sponger.]

Are they trying to end a day early?

[PITTM]

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52 Players left.
Average stack has 14 big bets.

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what a shame. really, its a travesty that theyve run this series into the ground like this.

[sobefuddled]

Table #65: Seat 1: Daniel Negreanu - 307,000 Seat 2: Joe Tehan - 166,000 Seat 3: David SInger - 332,000 Seat 4: Dewey Tomko - 119,000 Seat 5: Seat 6: David Oppenheim - 469,000 Seat 7: Erick Seidel - 194,000 Seat 8: Thomas Weideman -127,000 (8)

Table #66 Seat 1: Freddy Deeb - 357,000 Seat 2: Cyndy Violette - 60,000 Seat 3: Matthew Hawrilenko - 416,000 Seat 4: Toto Leonidas - 621,000 Seat 5: Greg Raymer - 287,000 Seat 6: Andy Bloch - 425,000 Seat 7: Kenny Tran - 544,000
(7)
Table #71 Seat 1: Phil Hellmuth - 412,000 Seat 2: Thor Hansen - 275,000 Seat 3: Steve Sung - 119,000 Seat 4: Bruno Fitoussi - 337,000 Seat 5: John Hennigan - 204,000 Seat 6: Barry Greenstein - 275,000 Seat 7: Chris Reslock -98,000 (7)

Table #72 Seat 1: Pat Pezzin - 94,000 Seat 2: Isabelle Merceier - 41,000 Seat 3: Tuan Le - 295,000 Seat 4: Seat 5: Ron Hollink - 321,000 Seat 6: Annie Duke - 165,000 Seat 7: Sam Grizzle - 86,000 Seat 8: Amnon Filippi - 429,000 (8)

Table #76 Seat 1: Erick Lindgren - 99,000 Seat 2: Tim Phan - 234,000 Seat 3:Greg Mascio - 290,000 Seat 4: Chip Reese - 332,000 Seat 5: Mike Wattel - 250,000 Seat 6: Eli Elezra - 568,000 Seat 7: Stephen Wolff - 251,000 (7)

Table #77 Seat 1: Robert Mizrachi - 338,000 Seat 2: John Juanda - 410,000 Seat 3: David Sklansky - 47,000 Seat 4: Allen Cunningham - 549,000 Seat 5: Mark Gregorich - 249,000 Seat 6: Dan Shak - 156,000 Seat 7: Mike Matusow - 456,000 (7)

Table #78 Seat 1: Seat 2: Neal Friets - 246,000 Seat 3: David Williams -203,000 Seat 4: Seat 5: Max Pescatori - 396,000 Seat 6: Noah Jeferson - 149,000 Seat 7: Justin Bonomo - 508,000 Seat 8: Gabe Kaplan - 186,000 (8)

Hmmm...Wonder where these guys will end up?
The following players did not list the correct table and seat numbers on their bags: Scotty Nguyen - 72,000 Huck Seed - 278,000 Phil Ivey - 436,000 John Hanson - 641,000

[grdred944]

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think it's a little bit of an antiquated tagline, considering how much poker has changed recently. but yes, really, that's how the press "considered" TJ for a long time.

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'Antiquated' is a bit of a stretch. His salad days are behind him for sure but he has done well during the so-called poker boom and given his overall career, that tagline still seems appropriate.

[NickMPK]

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52 Players left.
Average stack has 14 big bets.

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what a shame. really, its a travesty that theyve run this series into the ground like this.

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As I mentioned in the other thread, this is how limit tournaments must work. People don't even start getting eliminated until the average stack is around 20 BBs. If the blinds increased such that the average stack was still 30 BBs, 80% of the field would still be alive and the tournament wouldn't end before the start if the Main Event.

[prophet73]

This isn't meant to bash Justin (or maybe it is LOL), but I am just still surprised he entered the 50K HORSE event.

On ZeeJustin's most recent blog he says Stud Hi is the only game he doesn't feel confident about in HORSE. He talks about putting a 3-out beat to make quads on someone in that game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Stud Hi play higher than the other games? As in, it costs more to showdown?

IMHO, it's pretty much the game you CAN'T be weak at to play in HORSE. I can't think of one top player who hasn't had solid quantifiable or reported results in Stud Hi, with the exception of maybe Hellmuth (is he even a top player?).

Plus if you feel you don't really have the hand reading skills for Stud Hi, I would also think you'd be at a disadvantage in Stud 8 or Razz also since they are the other seven-card games. In fact, that's the majority of the games!

I guess my point is, if you know you were weak at Stud Hi, I'm really surprised you would enter the 50K event, the most prestigious and toughest event out there. Ego, perhaps?

I know he chopped some $3K HORSE tourney a couple months ago, but still...

Well, he's 6th in chips going into Day 3, so what the hell do I know, right?

GL ZJ.

[sobefuddled]

I am not sure counting BB's really has much to do with anyting. Only Omaha and Hold'em have forced blinds. All other games go with antes etc. Going into this level it's going to cost players a minimum of 17,500 to play a round of 8 hands. M is a better number to work with INMHO. This would mean that the average stack of 284,615 has an M (based on 8 players per table) of 16. Put another way, those players with stacks of 350,000 or better are in good shape. That means the top 16 players are in decent shape. The remaining 26 need to collect some insurance.

[unit63]

I think BB's is still referring to big bets here. People seem to talk about structure in a limit/mixed-game tournament by saying "blinds going up," "blinds/antes going up," and "levels going up" interchangeably to mean the same thing: the price to get involved in pots goes up regardless of the game. It's confusing because people are used to keeping track of Big Blinds in NL.

[prophet73]

Yeah, exactly.

A brick-n-mortar way to think about it is this:

In a standard 4 chip/8 chip bet game, one RACK is 12.5 Big Bets (BB). In a standard 3 chip/6 chip game, one RACK is a little under 17 BB.

They're starting today with 10000/20000 limits. Let's use a "2500" chip as our basis. That's a 4 chips/8 chips level game. With the average stack at 14 BB, that's a little more than a rack.

ONE rack can be won/lost fairly fast in limit, esp. in aggressive games.

I'd say only 500,000+ stacks (aka TWO racks) are sitting really comfortably. I expect the action and eliminations to be quick today and they might even end early to stretch it for the full 5 days.

BTW, M is a little weird to use in limit-games, as opposed to no-limit, IMO.

[flavio321]

so the final table is still NL right? if so, what is the starting blind for the ft?